2013 Hybrid MPG Results

[Ric]

Lately, on short trips we have been getting good mpg. I have been using the trip meter to monitor each time out of the garage until return. Today, drove about 10 miles, temp in mid 30's, mixed driving: 40.1MPG. Happy with that. :)

[elle]

Lately, on short trips we have been getting good mpg. I have been using the trip meter to monitor each time out of the garage until return. Today, drove about 10 miles, temp in mid 30's, mixed driving: 40.1MPG. Happy with that. :)

 

How many miles are on yours, overall? I'm seeing varied results, usually from between 30 to 50 mpg on short trips. My trip to work is only 8 miles so it would be good if I could expect this to improve. Mine is still under 1000 miles (around 800 right now).

[coach81]

Well.... I finally got the "low fuel warning yesterday" on my first tank. 24 miles to E. Looks like the first fill up will be soon!!!

[Ric]

How many miles are on yours, overall? I'm seeing varied results, usually from between 30 to 50 mpg on short trips. My trip to work is only 8 miles so it would be good if I could expect this to improve. Mine is still under 1000 miles (around 800 right now).

1800 so far. Mileage is going up as the miles grow. I suppose learning how to drive for mpg's helps.

[hybridbear]

How many miles are on yours, overall? I'm seeing varied results, usually from between 30 to 50 mpg on short trips. My trip to work is only 8 miles so it would be good if I could expect this to improve. Mine is still under 1000 miles (around 800 right now).

 

We have about 6600 now and it seems like the MPGs have improved. Our first tank was only 34 MPG and in similar weither now we're getting 38-40 MPG per tank. And that's in snow and temps ranging from -10 to +20. You should see improvement too.

 

How warm does the ICE get on your trip to work? I've found that displaying the coolant temp on the MyView screen is very helpful because there is a definite correlation between the temp of the ICE and its efficiency. In MN right now even on 20+ mile trips the ICE doesn't reach normal operating temp and we're still seeing around 40 MPG. When we were on vacation in California last month we averaged above 50 MPG during our weeks there in warmer weather.

[hybridbear]

Well.... I finally got the "low fuel warning yesterday" on my first tank. 24 miles to E. Looks like the first fill up will be soon!!!

 

So jealous!!! You must really not drive many miles. We get almost 2 weeks out of a tank only.

[coach81]

So jealous!!! You must really not drive many miles. We get almost 2 weeks out of a tank only.

My morning trip to work is around 3-5 miles, and my trip to the gym is about 3... other than that... its just small trips around town. I also have been riding my bike to the gym when possible (infinite MPG then!!!).

 

If I fill up thursday it will have been 6 weeks on the first tank!!! Miles will be reported (and shown) when I finally do fill up.

[hybridbear]

My morning trip to work is around 3-5 miles, and my trip to the gym is about 3... other than that... its just small trips around town. I also have been riding my bike to the gym when possible (infinite MPG then!!!).

 

If I fill up thursday it will have been 6 weeks on the first tank!!! Miles will be reported (and shown) when I finally do fill up.

 

That's great. In the summer my wife and I both walk to work and to the store, etc but that's a lot harder to do when the wind chill is -20 like it is today...in the summer we hopefully will get more than 2 weeks per tank of gas

[Fynack]

Strange, I wonder if I'll ever see my EV threshhold go that high...

 

Ive seen the EV bar much higher when it recognizes an EV+ destination. If the Ford Tech drove it for a couple hundred miles and stayed fairly close to the dealership then he would have stayed in EV+ mode.

[hybridbear]

Ive seen the EV bar much higher when it recognizes an EV+ destination. If the Ford Tech drove it for a couple hundred miles and stayed fairly close to the dealership then he would have stayed in EV+ mode.

 

If you look in acdii's video you can see that the car isn't in EV+ mode yet the bar is going high like the car does in EV+ mode

[acdii]

If you look in acdii's video you can see that the car isn't in EV+ mode yet the bar is going high like the car does in EV+ mode

And you would think with the bar as high as it is the MPG would be much higher than it actually is. Oh well, let it be somebody elses problem

[JSKershaw]

I posted this video in another forum.

 

 

Check out this video at the 7 minute mark. Very interesting!!!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8RYVjrb80o

[Riggo]

I posted this video in another forum.

 

 

Check out this video at the 7 minute mark. Very interesting!!!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8RYVjrb80o

 

Very interesting! So could it be possible a software fix would help the Fusion get the numbers it's supposed to?

[neod192]

Very interesting! So could it be possible a software fix would help the Fusion get the numbers it's supposed to?

No, it's the software that enabled the C-Max and Fusion to ace the EPA tests. It won't get any better in real life.

[Fynack]

I posted this video in another forum.

 

 

Check out this video at the 7 minute mark. Very interesting!!!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8RYVjrb80o

Thats it...this cars gotta go. Cant support a company thats "gaming" a test for marketing purposes.

Edited February 20, 2013 by Fynack

[hybridbear]

Thats it...this cars gotta go. Cant support a company thats "gaming" a test for marketing purposes.

 

Seriously? I think we all knew this from the start with these cars...like the guy from Motor Trend says, the Ford has more horsepower and is heavier, common sense says it isn't going to get better gas mileage when those two areas are against it. I think we all knew that in advance. And...Ford isn't the only company to do this. At least they didn't outright cheat like Hyundai and Kia.

 

Ford no doubt calculated the risk and decided to take advantage of this failing of the EPA tests to program their cars to excel at the EPA tests, while being just really good in real life. No doubt the Ford engineers knew that these cars would not consistenly achieve 47 MPG in real life, most people don't really get 50 MPG in a Prius, so they probably figured it wouldn't matter. I think what will come back to bite them are all the hybrid fans (like us here on the forum) who are knowledgeable about hybrids and are the people that can help sell hybrids to the masses. Those of us who know about hybrids CAN get 50 MPG or higher in a Prius, yet many are not achieving 47 MPG in the Fusion/C-Max and that is what will hurt Ford.

 

Hybrid cars have not yet reached their tipping point in the marketplace, and with the lower than expected fuel economy of the C-Max and Fusion I believe that Ford will make all hybrid sales take a step backward. But who knows, maybe that's what Ford wanted all along. Maybe they did all of this on purpose.

 

I posted this video in another forum.

 

 

Check out this video at the 7 minute mark. Very interesting!!!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8RYVjrb80o

 

Thanks for sharing, the points he makes are much the same as the points I made in the topic about why we can't get 47 MPG in real life

http://fordfusionhybridforum.com/topic/5923-how-ford-achieved-47-mpg-in-testing-and-why-you-cant-in-the-real-world/?do=findComment&comment=41423

Edited February 20, 2013 by hybridbear

[elle]

Yeah, the mileage bashing and so forth is getting a little wearing for me-- it's one of the things keeping me away from these forums lately. You have here a car that gets really good MPG as compared to any other car in its class and offers you far more for your money in terms of features, options, and just plain fun and drivability than any of those other hybrids. And you get all of it at a very compelling price point.

 

When I first started shopping for this car, I looked at the commensurate models online-- the Camry, the Accord, the Hyundai, etc. and I just didn't see anything that came close for what I would be paying, even assuming the gas mileage in all of those hybrids was dead equal. So what if it *only* gets a mile or so better MPG than any of those other cars? The thing still offers way more for less money! I see people saying they're going to sell theirs because it doesn't live up to the numbers and buy something that gets even lower MPG. How is that even a little bit smart?

 

With that said, I know there are a few exceptions out there who are really having trouble getting even Camry-style mileage out of thier Fusions. Those people probably have a problem car and I feel really bad for them and wish Ford would step up to the plate and make it right. No way am I discounting your problems if you are in that boat. But lots of us are really happy with this car, and I'd really like to hear more from those who are.

Edited February 21, 2013 by elle

[Ric]

Yeah, the mileage bashing and so forth is getting a little wearing for me-- it's one of the things keeping me away from these forums lately. You have here a car that gets really good MPG as compared to any other car in its class and offers you far more for your money in terms of features, options, and just plain fun and drivability than any of those other hybrids. And you get all of it at a very compelling price point.

 

When I first started shopping for this car, I looked at the commensurate models online-- the Camry, the Accord, the Hyundai, etc. and I just didn't see anything that came close for what I would be paying, even assuming the gas mileage in all of those hybrids was dead equal. So what if it *only* gets a mile or so better MPG than any of those other cars? The thing still offers way more for less money! I see people saying they're going to sell theirs because it doesn't live up to the numbers and buy something that gets even lower MPG. How is that even a little bit smart?

 

With that said, I know there are a few exceptions out there who are really having trouble getting even Camry-style mileage out of thier Fusions. Those people probably have a problem car and I feel really bad for them and wish Ford would step up to the plate and make it right. No way am I discounting your problems if you are in that boat. But lots of is are really happy with this car, and I'd really like to hear more from those who are.

I agree completely. We really like our FFH. Drove the rest and bought the best.

[jeff_h]

But lots of is are really happy with this car, and I'd really like to hear more from those who are.

 

OK here's one, with today's activity:

 

Morning commute (60 miles) - 44.0 (was cold but not really cold, maybe 30 degrees, 44 MPG is OK)

Went out to a drive-thru for lunch (8 miles R/T) - 32.4 (what a POS, can't believe Ford would game things like this, I hate you Ford you big bunch of liars)

Afternoon commute (60 miles) - 50.8 (that's more like normal)

 

So why such disparity in the MPG between 32 and 44 / 50? Think, McFly... think.

Edited February 21, 2013 by jeff_h

[coach81]

Well after nearly 6 weeks nearly to the day.. I finally filled Sylvia up today... I'll not just tell you the results.. I'll post them...

 

Remember this was our FIRST FILLUP..

 

First- the miles as the tank was empty

 

Next the lifetime info-

 

And finally.. the gallons.. I was able to get 11.5 gallons in..

 

So that's 610.7 miles @ 11.5 gallons... u can run the numbers....

 

:happy feet: :yahoo:

 

Edited February 21, 2013 by coach81

[fusionTX]

Seriously? I think we all knew this from the start with these cars...

 

Ford no doubt calculated the risk and decided to take advantage of this failing of the EPA tests to program their cars to excel at the EPA tests, while being just really good in real life. No doubt the Ford engineers knew that these cars would not consistenly achieve 47 MPG in real life, most people don't really get 50 MPG in a Prius, so they probably figured it wouldn't matter. [/url]

I do not yet own my car, so everything I say is based on what I have read, both on these forums and other reviews.

 

From your statements, it sounds like you are giving Ford a pass, even if they knew they were gaming the system and their customers were not going to get anywhere near the car's rating.

 

I can achieve and beat my Camry's ratings just about any day I want to. I don't always do it, because sometimes the hybrid games get old, but it's there to achieve (fairly easily).

 

If the same is not true for the new Ford Fusion, then people have a legitimate gripe, and shame on Ford.

 

I also disagree with the statement that we all knew this from the start. While there are many repeat hybrid buyers on these forums, the average joe does not participate on online forums and only has the EPA ratings to go by.

 

I see MPGs all over the place, so I will have to wait until mine comes in to have a more solid opinion. But the jury is still out on the new Fusion. I do not believe the EPA has reached a conclusion yet.

[acdii]

Wouldnt be so bad if the car was more like 38-39, I can easily live with that. For the first 2 tanks after the plugs were replaced it did just that, and I had high hopes. Didn't last. :( I really dont know what irks me more, the car or Ford? Maybe its because my 3 year old hybrid beats the new car by 3 MPG? All I know is that I really don't know what to do at this point, I like the car, but I get upset when I drive it knowing it should do better than it does, and further knowing that the way to get it to do 40 MPG is risky because it can cause road rage in others.

[elle]

Wouldnt be so bad if the car was more like 38-39, I can easily live with that. For the first 2 tanks after the plugs were replaced it did just that, and I had high hopes. Didn't last. :( I really dont know what irks me more, the car or Ford? Maybe its because my 3 year old hybrid beats the new car by 3 MPG? All I know is that I really don't know what to do at this point, I like the car, but I get upset when I drive it knowing it should do better than it does, and further knowing that the way to get it to do 40 MPG is risky because it can cause road rage in others.

 

Yeah, yours is one of the ones that I think probably has an actual defect somewhere. Even when I let my guard down and just drive without thinking about mileage I am getting better mileage or at least similar mileage to your 2010. I wish you could have gotten satisfaction from Ford.

Edited February 21, 2013 by elle

[JSKershaw]

I didn't post that video to cause more debate than what we already have here. I just thought it was interested in how MT "defined" the results.

 

From what I have been reading as well (should be getting my car this Saturday) is that 47MPG is possible, but you will have to have the perfect conditions to get it. I'm used to getting about 23-28MPG in my Mazda3, so if I can get 40MPG on average I will be fairly happy with the cars MPG. However, MPG was not the reason I bought this car. It was only one of many reasons!

[terryb]

I'm giving up on all of the mileage threads. acdii just won't surrender the pity party boy crown.

Did he get a screwed up FFH? Yes, I believe he did.

Has Ford treated him badly? Yes, I believe they did.

Has Ford gamed the EPA test? I believe IT IS POSSIBLE they did.

We've held that opinion for some time now.

For gosh sakes....GET OVER IT.

 

No more mileage thread participation from me.