2013 FFH real world fuel economy

[salprint]

Michelins

[neevers1]

Interesting: Mine are: Goodyear Eagles LS2, M/S 235/45R18.

 

Why do you have 18s on your car? Perhaps that is the reason, the normal hybrid wheels are 17s.

[acdii]

DING! I believe we hit the nail on the head here. Sal, you say your meeting EPA, correct? And Ric, you are seeing 35 MPG? Now we need Dole to chime in on the tires, if he has Goodyears, then problem resolved, The Goodyears are the reason for the crappy MPG.

 

Here is the OE tire that is listed for the 2013 FFH, and the only tire. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=Energy+Saver+A%2FS&partnum=35HR7ESAS&vehicleSearch=true&fromCompare1=yes&autoMake=Ford&autoYear=2013&autoModel=Fusion&autoModClar=Hybrid

[Ric]

Why do you have 18s on your car? Perhaps that is the reason, the normal hybrid wheels are 17s.

 

The 18's are the optional tires and wheels for the FFH. Ordered with the car.

[acdii]

Why do you have 18s on your car? Perhaps that is the reason, the normal hybrid wheels are 17s.

 

Ah, now that you mention it, mine has the premium painted wheels too, so that may very well be the key here. Would be interesting to be able to compare the two different types of wheel/tire combos side by side to see if the Goodyears out perform the Michelins in handling and traction, the Energy Savers on my 2010 are horrible when it comes to both, so wonder if the hit in economy is worth the trade off.

[neevers1]

Ah, now that you mention it, mine has the premium painted wheels too, so that may very well be the key here. Would be interesting to be able to compare the two different types of wheel/tire combos side by side to see if the Goodyears out perform the Michelins in handling and traction, the Energy Savers on my 2010 are horrible when it comes to both, so wonder if the hit in economy is worth the trade off.

 

Yeah, energy saver tires are notoriously bad for grip. We'll see though, I've only driven in perfect weather so far. They seem to handle fine though.

[mainesail55]

Regarding the tire and it's affect on mileage, I went from Michelin Pilots to Continental DWS tires on my Bonneville and the highway mileage went up 2-3 mpg. I never would have believed it until I switched away from Michelins. Don't forget also that on the Camry Hybrid, there is a 2 mpg difference between the LE and the XLE and Toyota says it's due to the difference in tires.

Edited December 5, 2012 by mainesail55

[Ric]

I don't believe Ford would offer an optional wheel/tire size for the FFH if it affected the mpg.

[Ric]

I need some clarification from you guys. Maybe I'm reading the mpg wrong. This is what's happening. While I'm driving down the road I get my average mpg, today it was around 36 mpg. When I park the car and turn it off I get two screens on the left display. Today the first screen displayed 43.7 mpg. That screen only lasted a few seconds. The next screen displayed 35.8 mpg. I'm going to have to read the manual some more.

[jeff_h]

Since I'm still waiting on my 2013, I can only assume that it may follow the pattern of the 2010? On that, the first number is the MPG for the trip that's just finished, and the second number is the long-term MPG -- which you should be able to reset to start a new baseline and check from that point onward.

[Nmadole]

I have to GOODYEAR EAGLE LS2 18" Painted Sport Wheel... not getting anywhere near 47MPG and havent ever.

 

Just started a blog to track my MPG .. Will Update Daily

 

http://fusionhybridmpg.blogspot.com/

Edited December 5, 2012 by Nmadole

[B25Nut]

I have the Goodyear Eagles on the Luxury wheels. If they are causing lower MPG, I don't care. I love their looks. I'm still getting over twice the gas mileage of any other car I've driven.

[DeeCee]

Mine are Michelin P225/50R17

 

Yes the first set of figures you see when switching the ignition off is the stats for that trip. The second set of numbers is the Lifetime Averages.

Edited December 6, 2012 by DeeCee

[Ric]

Thanks DeeCee. The mileage must be coming up. Only 600+ miles so far in 40 degree weather.

[acdii]

I don't believe Ford would offer an optional wheel/tire size for the FFH if it affected the mpg.

 

Yep, they would, its that case of buyer beware, but what Ford has failed to do, which can bite then in the arse, is not have a disclaimer regarding the sport tires not returning high MPG.

 

Case in point, the EPA ratings on the F150 Ecoboost. The truck "can" get those numbers, provided it is setup identical to the model that was tested, Same gearing, same features, same weight. When you take that base model, add Max tow package, different wheels, etc. the MPG will drop, and you will not get the claimed EPA, but will fall into the range disclaimer.

 

I need to see if the 2013 wheels fit the 2010 so I can do a wheel swap, I can confirm it 100% if it is the tires or not. But all indicators point to it being the 18" Goodyears. I have been able to get trips in the high 40's and 50's, but they were for the most part down hill returning from lunch with a warm car.

[Nmadole]

 

 

Yep, they would, its that case of buyer beware, but what Ford has failed to do, which can bite then in the arse, is not have a disclaimer regarding the sport tires not returning high MPG.

 

Case in point, the EPA ratings on the F150 Ecoboost. The truck "can" get those numbers, provided it is setup identical to the model that was tested, Same gearing, same features, same weight. When you take that base model, add Max tow package, different wheels, etc. the MPG will drop, and you will not get the claimed EPA, but will fall into the range disclaimer.

 

I need to see if the 2013 wheels fit the 2010 so I can do a wheel swap, I can confirm it 100% if it is the tires or not. But all indicators point to it being the 18" Goodyears. I have been able to get trips in the high 40's and 50's, but they were for the most part down hill returning from lunch with a warm car.

 

 

We should start a wheel size and average mpg to keep track of it. :)

Edited December 6, 2012 by Nmadole

[Ric]

We have 650 miles on the FFH and the MPG is increasing. Today on a

60 mile ride we had 41 mpg city/country/freeway. It's moving up, started lower.

This is the MPG on the left display. At 1000 miles I'm going to reset the lifetime MPG.

[DeeCee]

852 miles to date with an actual fuel used of 17.8 gallons. Computes to 46.7 mpg. Mostly highway, 2 lane 55mph, driving. Somewhat hilly and lots of curves. Use ACC whenever possible. I have stock 17" rims with Michelan tires.

[techierajesh]

I have a 2013 Ford Fusion Hybrid, a first time hybrid owner and driven it over 2000 miles. My daily commute is over 200 miles with over 90% highway and currently my average mpg is 42.3. If I set the eco cruise to 62 miles per hour I get over 44 mpg and with 65 miles per hour I get over 40 mpg. Even for short trips in town I have never seen less than 39 mpg and I'm surprised why a lot of new owners see very poor mileage results.

[salprint]

It really is frustrating...I read all these reports from Consumer Reports and so on, and I can't understand what they are doing that they can't get over 38mpg. I get over the 47mpg rating on a regular basis and I don't lose a minute from my commute time and I drive at the highway speeds. I think I'll just stop reading all this stuff and enjoy my car.

[acdii]

Well got the update, NPF!

 

The road test using the adaptive cruise control returned 43 MPG. According to Ford, if it gets in the 40's using ACC, it passes, so they wont do jack about it. I also heard that the other guy who just got his FFH is getting 37, his has the 17" Michelins. He started using the ACC and is getting in the 40's with it.

 

Apparently you cant drive faster then 55 MPH if you want to get in the 40's. You also have to use ACC, the car is too sensitive to the pedal otherwise. Anything above 60, you will be in the 30's.

 

On Monday I drove to Mount Prospect, a 21 mile drive, 35-45 MPH roads, and returned 45. While not bad, the 2010 would get that too, and I usually get better than that on those roads, especially when I get the lights timed just right. Ford wouldn't even authorize to have the alignment checked.

 

I guess its time to break out the video camera and record it all, comparing the two cars and how they act different as far as coasting, and MPG readout on the same roads. This morning I got 39 MPG in my 2010 going to work, Monday I in the 2013, I also got 39, but it was 10* warmer too.

[fusionTX]

Well got the update, NPF!

 

The road test using the adaptive cruise control returned 43 MPG. According to Ford, if it gets in the 40's using ACC, it passes, so they wont do jack about it. I also heard that the other guy who just got his FFH is getting 37, his has the 17" Michelins. He started using the ACC and is getting in the 40's with it.

 

Apparently you cant drive faster then 55 MPH if you want to get in the 40's. You also have to use ACC, the car is too sensitive to the pedal otherwise. Anything above 60, you will be in the 30's.

 

On Monday I drove to Mount Prospect, a 21 mile drive, 35-45 MPH roads, and returned 45. While not bad, the 2010 would get that too, and I usually get better than that on those roads, especially when I get the lights timed just right. Ford wouldn't even authorize to have the alignment checked.

 

I guess its time to break out the video camera and record it all, comparing the two cars and how they act different as far as coasting, and MPG readout on the same roads. This morning I got 39 MPG in my 2010 going to work, Monday I in the 2013, I also got 39, but it was 10* warmer too.

 

Maybe the car really is too fine tuned for EPA test. There is no reason why the new Fusion shouldn't best all old hybrids in real world driving, given all the new technology it has. Maybe Ford needs to make some adjustments.

[brcd131]

Well got the update, NPF!

 

The road test using the adaptive cruise control returned 43 MPG. According to Ford, if it gets in the 40's using ACC, it passes, so they wont do jack about it. I also heard that the other guy who just got his FFH is getting 37, his has the 17" Michelins. He started using the ACC and is getting in the 40's with it.

 

Apparently you cant drive faster then 55 MPH if you want to get in the 40's. You also have to use ACC, the car is too sensitive to the pedal otherwise. Anything above 60, you will be in the 30's.

 

On Monday I drove to Mount Prospect, a 21 mile drive, 35-45 MPH roads, and returned 45. While not bad, the 2010 would get that too, and I usually get better than that on those roads, especially when I get the lights timed just right. Ford wouldn't even authorize to have the alignment checked.

 

I guess its time to break out the video camera and record it all, comparing the two cars and how they act different as far as coasting, and MPG readout on the same roads. This morning I got 39 MPG in my 2010 going to work, Monday I in the 2013, I also got 39, but it was 10* warmer too.

 

I'm not clear on what the ACC has to do with fuel economy. I thought the ACC slowed you down when someone got too close to you in front. Don't you mean the Eco-Cruise?

 

I can only get about 36 MPG on fairly flat roads in 60-70 degree weather driving with Eco-Cruise set at 65. I was thinking about taking it in to have Ford check it out so see why the MPG is so low. Am I wasting my time?

[acdii]

I was just quoting what the Ford rep told me. I asked the service manager to clarify, did they say Adaptive cruise? He said, yes, so I said, so those owners who dont have the ACC are basically screwed, and he just gave me a confused look. Pretty sure they mean the Eco Cruise.

 

Tonight I bested the EC, I had it set for 55 for a short period and saw it was getting junk for FE, so I reset the meter while it was at 55, then shut it off and went manual, and went from 37 MPG to 45 MPG. Of course I was not maintaining a steady 55 MPH, but keeping it between 50 and 55 depending on the road. My trip home though, I only got up to 35 MPG. Could have been the wet roads, but seemed like all I was doing was driving uphill.

[DeeCee]

Third fill-up today at 1,247 total miles and total gas used to date 27 gallons for 46.2 mpg actual.