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I would. And that's exactly the situation we found ourselves in this week. Let me explain... The recent purchases reported online of leftover 2013 FFHs & FFEs along with 2013 C-Maxes made me curious as to how many 2013s are left new on dealer lots across the country. So I spent a few minutes searching on cars.com and saw that there are still quite a few around. I noticed that a lot of the leftover vehicles seem to be rather basic models, without a lot of the advanced driver assistance technologies. And quite a few of the Fusions have MFT & Nav without many other options. Then I happened upon a loaded Energi Titanium with all the advanced driver assistance options just like we had on the white FFH. Out of curiosity I e-mailed the dealer to see how low they'd be willing to sell it. The prices on cars.com basically all showed just MSRP or only a very small discount. The dealer e-mailed me back and indicated that they were willing to knock about $15k off MSRP (about 33%). I then wrote back to see what they'd give us in trade for our FFH. I decided before I wrote them that the only way we'd do anything is if they were willing to give us $1500 above KBB for the trade. I decided upon this price because it would allow us to get the Energi for free, the tax credit basically equals the difference. Their initial response was right at KBB trade-in value. Before I continue, I want to give you a little background on the dealer. They're a dealer in a small town in Wisconsin, about 4 hrs from Minneapolis. They're not near any big cities. They sell four brands at the one dealer building: Ford, Lincoln, Hyundai & Volkswagen. I had learned at a MNPEVOC (Minnesota Plug-in Vehicles Owners Circle) meeting that you can often find the best deals on plug-ins and battery electrics at small town dealers in the country that get sent a car that they don't know how to sell. A number of the Focus Electric owners in the group got their cars from dealers in rural MN or WI, same story for a few Energi owners in the group. Some of the Nissan Leaf owners also said that they found the best deals by getting a Leaf from a rural dealer rather than from one in the Twin Cities. A Mitsubishi iMiev owner did the same thing. Considering that this dealer has 70 trucks out of 100 new Fords on their lot I figured that they fit the same profile. On Tuesday I told the salesman that they'd have to do better on the trade difference to make it work. He spoke to the used car manager (also the finance manager who did our paperwork today, very small dealer) and offered another $1000 for the white FFH. I asked if I could discuss it with my wife and call him back Wednesday. After we agreed Tuesday night that we'd do it only of they'd give us another $500, I called the salesman and told him that on Wednesday morning. He said he'd ask and e-mail me. Less than 5 minutes later he e-mailed me and said they'd do it. Today we drove about 4 hours (220 miles) each way to Wisconsin and picked up the Energi Titanium. After the tax credit we will have paid less than $500 for the new Energi Titanium. And about $30 in gas total to drive 440 miles today. It was really incredible!! And I encourage anyone who's looking for a new FFH to consider one of the leftover 2013s because you can probably find a dealer who's desperate to get the car off their lot.- 45 replies
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I love my FFH but I must admit to buying it because the FFE's trunk space was too small. If it had the same trunk space as the FFH, I would have bought the FFE. Did you buy the FFH for the same reason?
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I have said since January after driving our car on a long road trip and investigating the EPA test cycles and everything else that Ford took a calculated risk here. I doubt they planned for this decision to cost them upwards of $15 million in the cash payments, not counting the brand image damage, stock price hit and lost sales. I'd figure the stock damage alone could be hundreds of millions of dollars depending on how the market reacts today to this news. I wonder now how many people will lose their jobs who were part of the decision to save a maybe a few tens of thousands of dollars by not testing the C-Max separately (I have no idea what it costs a manufacturer to run the EPA cycles on their cars so I'm just guessing) when that decision will now cost Ford hundreds of millions. Some people place the blame squarely on Ford for this saying that they were unethical. The objective of a public company is to bring a return to their shareholders, ethics is not a part of business. I know that many of us likely go through yearly ethics training at work, but I also analyze and audit our employees' p-card usage and I see employees bending the rules and pushing the limits every single month. Just as individual employees think that way, the collective decision making of most companies thinks the same. If companies behaved ethically of their own accord we would never have had the Enron, Worldcom, Tyco, et al scandals. If companies behaved ethically there would be no need for Sarbanes Oxley. We aren't privy to the internal discussions between Ford executives and the EPA to know what happened, but I would venture a guess that the EPA tested the C-Max, got lower numbers and they gave Ford the chance to address it. Ford technically didn't break, or even bend, any rules, but the EPA would have had to release their results which would have made Ford look bad. I think that just as much blame belongs with the EPA as with Ford for having such stupid rules that caused this to happen in the first place. If the EPA had better rules, i.e. mandating all 5 cycles for all vehicles and no more of this letting one vehicle determine the ratings for another when the cd is so different that it will have a material effect on the results. It's also important to note that Ford isn't the only company to do this. Honda just released a new hybrid in Japan that beats the Prius on the Japanese test cycle for fuel economy, but everyone knows that the Honda hybrid will not beat the Prius fuel economy in the real world. Honda merely programmed that car to ace the Japanese tests. So what? Buyer beware is still the adage that we should all live by.
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Hey everyone, been stalking the blogs still, but haven't been posting lately. I wanted to drop by and let you all know about a really cool event happening in Roanoke, VA this weekend. The Virginia Tech Hybrid Electric Vehicle Team (HEVT) and Virginia Clean Cities is co-hosting an alternative fuel vehicle car show this Saturday. If I can, I plan to make it there (I may even offer to exhibit my own car as they're looking for owners to do so and vouch for their experiences owning the cars) and get the inside scoop on a lot of these different hybrids and electric vehicles. The initial bulletin about the event states: The link is here: http://vthevt.blogspot.com/2014/03/innovation-under-hood-roanokes-green.html If I can go, I'll definitely update the community on anything I learn or find interesting.- 7 replies
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From the album: LASooner's Schooner
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I know that the 2010 Hybrid, S, SE and SEL all come with or are available with a 2.5L 152 Cu. In. Inline 4. Is the engine in the Hybrid exactly the same as the one in the other 3 sub-models? Would I be able to use the same parts on my Hybrid that are available for the other types? Thanks!
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Since a few threads have been made on improving the ICE by adding a turbo and using diesel fuel, I thought that I'd keep suggesting core ICE improvements. How about moving to a Diesel Atkinson Rotary Technology (D.A.R.T.) ICE engine? After reading 10 minutes on this concept, I'm now an expert. We can achieve these benefits by using DART in our ICE: High power and torqueMinimal vibrationHigh RPMHigh fuel efficiencyLow EmissionsReduced number of componentsHigh thermodynamic efficiencyMultiple Fuel capabilityVery flexible internal geometryNoise ReductionThe part that got my attention: Sure, we need more efficient batteries, but why not marry those to a more efficient ICE?
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With the sudden love that diesel-powered cars are getting lately (Jetta, Passat, 328d), do you think we'll see a diesel FFH in 2015? Diesel cars are becoming known for being more efficient. The marketing seems to be pushing more miles per gallon versus gasoline cars. Why not pull a Reeses and get both! Hello EPA estimated 75 miles per gallon!
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Since we've established that your Brake Score has an impact on Fuel Economy and that a Brake Score of 80% would cost about .5 MPG over a few thousand miles like in the case of clummus I wanted to create a thread for users to share what their Lifetime Brake Score is, along with the number of miles that the aforementioned score is applicable to. Like this: Brake Score 99% over about 15,700 miles
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As some may have seen my other post, I will be buying a new car next year. But what is scaring me away from the Ford Hybrids is the cars not meeting there EPA numbers. As someone who drives a 11 year old VW Jetta TDI with 195K miles on it, I am use to 40 MPG. I average 40 MPG last tank full & this week decided to drive it like a Hybrid and got 56 MPG. Of course it was a lot of work. I am noticing the Toyota & Lexus Hybrids always make the EPA numbers. My daughter loves her Lexus Hybrid. Also a diesel always exceeds the EPA numbers with out trying. The new Passat will get 50 MPG on diesel and you do not have to baby it. I REALLY like the Ford hybrids but am very disappoint with the numbers being in the 30's not 40's. Maybe by the next year they will address this.
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Alright, newbie here, just got the 2013 Fusion se Hybrid couple weeks ago. Happy so far besides the color. I'm considering purchasing aftermarket wheels, so far I've read that I will likely loose some mpg. Mine came with the 17" wheels. The wheel I'd like to get starts at 18". There's my question. Has anyone done this? All I've read is people changing from factory 18" to factory 19" with minimal decrease in mpg. I only have 400 miles on car so far and have averaged 30mpg. I also "heard" there is a "brake-in" period, after which the mpg would increase, where's my 47 as advertised? Any truth to that? 30 is great, just wondering if it gets better, or the way I drive. My other Ford is an '05 F-350 powerstroke 6.0 diesel utility truck for work. After all the mods on that I've averaged 11mpg in town, highway, loaded, empty, whatever, 11mpg solid. If anyone has any experience or references on 17" to 18" wheel size change on this Hybrid and the effects, please share.
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From the album: 2013 Fusion ST Hyabrid
Love the look. Motor-trend said it best - this needs to be made! They did an article on a blue one and a white concept wagon - adding the dual exhaust this week -
I'm less than impressed with the steering wheel in my new HyTi. It is leather wrapped and all, but feels too thin in my hands (and my hands are not too big..).. There small areas on each side that are thicker which is where I guess most people hold the wheel as they drive. I would swear that the steering wheel on the car I took out for a test drive before I bought mine had a better steering wheel (more substance to it). Here's a pic. IS this what the HyTi should have installed? -
Today I went to the grocery store and pulled into the parking lot behind a Ginger Ale Fusion Hybrid. As they were also parking far away from all the traffic I decided to park nearby. It was an older couple driving the car and we stopped to chat a few minutes. They just got their FFH a week ago and have only 400 miles. They were asking me about how to adjust some of the settings on the dash LCD screens. When I sat in the car to help adjust some of the settings for them I was noticing that their dash LCD screens are slightly larger than the ones in our car. For example, on the Empower screen the instant fuel economy display was larger and had larger numbers than in my car. The fuel gauge also was larger on the display. I'm almost 100% sure that in their car the speedometer was smaller and the screen were slightly wider, though not any taller. I wonder if this is a Job 1 vs Job 2 thing...although the last 6 of their VIN was 227xxx, so it wasn't built that long after our FFH with VIN 192xxx. Their car has the luxury package and the Hybrid Technology Package with the center touchscreen. Our car does not have the center touchscreen, but the dash screens should be the same on ALL Fusion Hybrids. Below is a picture of our dash screen next to a ruler. I'd appreciate if other owners could do the same thing. I'm curious to see both the size on the SE hybrids with the center console touchscreen and those without, like ours, as well as pics from HyTi owners. This seems odd and I don't think it was just my brain playing tricks on me. I really think that his dash screens are larger. Thanks everyone!
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From the album: Splendida Futuris (Bright Future)
This screen graphically shows the flow of energy through the Fusion allowing you to manage the resources as you drive.© combs 2013
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The salesman who sold us our FFH had a real issue typing the word "hybrid". On every single document, e-mail and contract it says "hybird" instead. It has become an inside joke now where my wife and I call our car "the hybird" :hysterical: It still makes me chuckle months later and I figured I'd share so others can chuckle too. Has anyone else made this typing error or seen someone else do it?
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So far this is my best single trip mileage I have recorded 44.7 mpg. Most of those 36 miles is on the interstate at 65 mph as well. Keeps getting better and better as it breaks in! :shift: :dance:
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Ok I want to see what others do and how it might be affecting fuel economy. I use my remote start pretty much every day in the morning but not in the afternoon. I have not seen any real difference in fuel economy even when the ICE runs in the morning to warm up. I am curious as to how others use it and if you have seen any fuel economy difference.
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I will apologize before I ask the question, but I could not find any comments on this. I searched for the Fusion Hybrid Owner's manual in motorcraftservice.com. There are 3 different printings of the manual. I opened the last one. The Title is 2013 Fusion Owner's Manual, it does not say "hybrid", and I could not find a single reference to "electric engine", or the word "hybrid" in the manual. Am I looking at the correct manual?
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Hi there, forum folks! I just purchased a 2013 Ford Fusion Hybrid a few weeks ago and thought that I'd join and share my experiences. This is my first hybrid vehicle. I should say that I am a former leadfoot but have since slowed down somewhat :-) My driving conditions typically range from city to highway driving. But since I live in Chicago it's always a traffic jam for me. On the bright side, this gives me a chance to let the car flex it's muscles, so to speak. So far, I am quite happy with the Fuel economy that I get with the new Ford fusion. I am currently working on 42 mpg in somewhat warm weather. However, I do notice that it gives me worse fuel economy in colder temperatures. But I suppose that is to be expected. Overall, I do like this car. It is still going through it's break in period and I've just about reached an empty tank. Looks like I'm getting about 430 miles per fill up. It's a pretty big improvement over my 19 mpg with my old SUV :-)
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If you live in the North Texas area, bring your Fusion Hybrid to Bill Utter Ford in Denton on Saturday. They are celebrating Earth Day and I'll be talking at noon about "Owning an Electric Car in the Real World." It's a good chance to meet each other and enjoy a free catered lunch. (I saw a nice white fully loaded Titanium Energi there a few days ago too.) http://youtu.be/vgRN2SuuXaY -
Just wanted to say hello and that I absolutely love my new Fusion Hybrid Titanium! I have only had it about a week and a half and have 1300 miles on it. Such a great car to drive and I have averaged 39-40 mpg with 60% of that being interstate 60 to 75 mph. I use EcoCriuse as much and as often as I can.
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Driving 50 miles round trip to work in traffic was killing me... And after one of my co-workers came in talking about her new Ford Fusion Hybrid, I had to get one. No questions. I loved the white one, and I named her "Eve" after the character in the Disney movie Wall-E. She looks just like the white robot, even with the leaf! Took her on her first roadtrip from Wisconsin to DC last week and my gas mileage was phenominal! I love this car!!!
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I have to say that I love my FFH Energi! We went to the auto show to look at the C Max and any other plug-in hybrids. Unfortunately, they all seemed to have the feel of the Prius, or had thin plastic parts that wouldn't last. My son pointed out that the Fusion Energi was an electric hybrid and it was llove at first sight! The seats were comfortable, the cabin was spacious, and the styling was incredible. It was definitely on our top favorites list of the day, (after the Aston Martin and before the Mercedes SLK). We drove a FFH the next day and put a deposit on a Sterling Gray Titanium Energi with all the options. Fortunately, the dealer already had one ordered that was built on March 15th. We've had it for a week and absolutely love it! The adaptive cruise control and lane keeping systems are incredible. Of course the ride is quiet when in electric mode, but even when in Hybrid mode the engine is smooth as it switches from gas to electric and back. Our main reason for purchasing was for the technology and to become more familiar with the Hybrid. Most of our drives are local, so it is easy to charge it and return with using little or no gas. On a local trip to the city and back we have been averaging 84 to 97 mpg so it a car that fits with our needs. I love this forum and have been checking several times a day for new posts and comments, so I'm honored to learn from your experiences and knowledge. Check out the album for my new baby: http://fordfusionhybridforum.com/gallery/album/275-splendida-futuris-bright-future/
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From the album: Splendida Futuris (Bright Future)
Ford wheels are stylish and are a perfect accent to the unique look of the Fusion.© combs 2013
