Ford Mondeo Vignale concept debuts at Frankfurt Motor Show

[LASooner]

http://www.worldcarfans.com/113091162798/ford-mondeo-vignale-concept-debuts-at-frankfurt-motor-show

 

interesting changes. I wished they made the wagon Fusion available in the US

[kuzzi]

A Wagon FFE would be tempting with the added space.

[acdii]

Ditto. I like how that wagon looks, but dont care much for the quilted look. Note the LED lighting

[hybridbear]

Thanks for sharing. Sadly Americans generally don't buy wagons. :cry: I like the wagon look too. I don't like the grille on the Vignale though. I prefer our Aston Martin-esque grille.

 

And how do you pronounce Vignale?? :headscratch:

[acdii]

Like vigilante without the nt? Dont know, but I doubt you will ever see a trim line like that here, thats what the Lincoln is for.

[Eddie Sessum]

Grill sucks.. Next...

 

 

I can always use that other word here that people seems to think is racial, some people need a dictionary. ;)

[rjent]

A Wagon FFE would be tempting with the added space.

The extra space would be a large plus, and I really like the look of the wagon, but I do wonder how much it effects the aerodynamics. I think there would be a major hit in efficiency.

[corncobs]

The extra space would be a large plus, and I really like the look of the wagon, but I do wonder how much it effects the aerodynamics. I think there would be a major hit in efficiency.

A wagon is bit heavier which will effect the FE and also the shape of a wagon will effect the aerodynamics.

 

Here is an interesting article I found goggling the topic

 

http://www.autospeed.com/cms/A_112609/article.html

 

I looked at the VW Passat Wagon vs. Sedan difference in rated FE and the Wagon is rated ~ 1 MPG less so it looks like it doesn't have a extreme effect on MPG.

 

I searched a bit more and for the European Fusion (Mondeo) the difference between Wagon and Sedan in case of the 2.0l EB is 2 MPG (29 vs. 31) in rated FE.

Edited September 13, 2013 by corncobs

[LASooner]

Like vigilante without the nt? Dont know, but I doubt you will ever see a trim line like that here, thats what the Lincoln is for.

 

Vignale will be available from 2015 at first on the new-gen Mondeo/Fusion and then on the S-MAX and Edge. It will be slotted above the Titanium X trim and promises to offer more luxurious amenities both inside and out for those who want a more premium Ford.

 

I was talking to the fleet guy when I was getting my PCM update and he said he didn't think Lincoln was going to be around much longer as a brand.

[acdii]

 

Vignale will be available from 2015 at first on the new-gen Mondeo/Fusion and then on the S-MAX and Edge. It will be slotted above the Titanium X trim and promises to offer more luxurious amenities both inside and out for those who want a more premium Ford.

 

I was talking to the fleet guy when I was getting my PCM update and he said he didn't think Lincoln was going to be around much longer as a brand.

With how Lincoln has redesigned most of their line, I think they will be around for quite some time. The MKZ being the first to distance itself from its brethren Fusion, they may be similar underneath, but they are totally different inside and out. MKC I believe is the next to do that.

 

Now they need to step up on the MKX. When I was at a Lincoln dealer not too long ago, the cars on the show room floor had terrible paint jobs. The Fusion and Flex paints are smooth, the MKX had a rough surface like a amateur painter did it.

 

BTW saw a stretched MKT the other day, that looked weird, it looked as if someone grabbed the front and back and pulled it like stretch armstrong.

[rjent]

Interesting article. my premise still stands though. I quote:

 

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airflow remains in layers (laminar) as it passes over the car, the drag acting on the body is low. Anything that causes the laminar flow of air to separate from the body - and so become turbulent - causes drag. The ultimate low-drag shape is a teardrop with its hemispherical front end and long, tapering tail.

 

 

As a Corvette enthusiest, we Corvette owners have been chasing and discussing drag and Cd and CdA for decades. When I look at the back end of that wagon, it just screams drag...

 

Again to quote the article:

 

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What happens at the back of the car is extremely important in determining total drag, rear axle lift and, to a more limited extent, front axle lift. In many cases, the flow at the back of the car is more important than the flow behaviour at the front. The pattern of airflow at the rear of the car depends very much on the type of car being examined. If the airflow from the roof is to remain attached down onto the boot, a three-box sedan must have a very shallow-angled rear window. It is very important that this flow does remain attached – the area of the wake will be reduced, dramatically lowering the car’s overall Cd.

 

Now with all of THAT BS said LOL, if it is only a 2 MPG or so hit, it would be worth it.

 

Great find on the article. The seem to be spot on! :)

A wagon is bit heavier which will effect the FE and also the shape of a wagon will effect the aerodynamics.

Here is an interesting article I found goggling the topic

http://www.autospeed.com/cms/A_112609/article.html

I looked at the VW Passat Wagon vs. Sedan difference in rated FE and the Wagon is rated ~ 1 MPG less so it looks like it doesn't have a extreme effect on MPG.

I searched a bit more and for the European Fusion (Mondeo) the difference between Wagon and Sedan in case of the 2.0l EB is 2 MPG (29 vs. 31) in rated FE.

[acdii]

Tailgate up vs tailgate down. Myth busters proved and explained what I have been saying a long time, you waste gas with the tailgate down or removed due to increased drag. With it up it creates a bubble that improves airflow the faster you go, and why bed covers improve it at slower speeds. When you drop the tailgate, you remove that bubble so the airflow collects behind the cab and doubles or triples the drag.

[rjent]

Tailgate up vs tailgate down. Myth busters proved and explained what I have been saying a long time, you waste gas with the tailgate down or removed due to increased drag. With it up it creates a bubble that improves airflow the faster you go, and why bed covers improve it at slower speeds. When you drop the tailgate, you remove that bubble so the airflow collects behind the cab and doubles or triples the drag.

Ummm, how does that correlate with a stationwagon?? :headscratch:

 

Not being a smart ass, just don't understand you point .... :)

[acdii]

Ummm, how does that correlate with a stationwagon?? :headscratch:

 

Not being a smart ass, just don't understand you point .... :)

the flow at the back of the car is more important than the flow behaviour at the front.

[rjent]

OK, gotcha. :)

 

Yeah, the square back of the station wagon is a huge drag. The more that I think about it, 2 mpg is 2 mpg ...... :)

 

the flow at the back of the car is more important than the flow behaviour at the front.

[dalesky]

Like vigilante without the nt? Dont know, but I doubt you will ever see a trim line like that here, thats what the Lincoln is for.

That is exactly Ford's thinking, from what I have read. Europe doesn't get the Lincoln, but they do get the Vignale. Here's the origin of the word:

 

Vignale was an Italian automobile coachbuilder company. Carrozzeria Alfredo Vignale was established in 1948 at Via Cigliano, Turin by Alfredo Vignale (born 1913) in Grugliasco, near Turin (Torino).

 

That should make the pronunciation Italian, which would be vig nal ee

 

I love the wagon version, and would have one in a minute, given the reduced trunk size in ours.

[dalesky]

Interesting article. my premise still stands though. I quote:

As a Corvette enthusiest, we Corvette owners have been chasing and discussing drag and Cd and CdA for decades. When I look at the back end of that wagon, it just screams drag...

 

Again to quote the article:

 

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Now with all of THAT BS said LOL, if it is only a 2 MPG or so hit, it would be worth it.

 

Great find on the article. The seem to be spot on! :)

Ford could save weight the way Toyota does in the Prism, by using a fake leather. Oh yeah, that's what I want in my next car!

Maybe just put a big ass spoiler on the back like the modders do on so many small Japanese cars.

Edited September 19, 2013 by dalesky