Howie411 Report post Posted July 23, 2010 http://www.edmunds.com/hyundai/sonatahybrid/2011/testdrive.html#2011sonatahybridiphyundaitd1 Interested in how this car will pan out, interesting how the HWY miles are higher then the City Miles. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rfruth Report post Posted July 23, 2010 I'm glad to see Hyundai introduce a hybrid but the Lincoln MKZ Hybrid price of $35,180 -- the same as the non-hybrid version of the car is bigger news IMO Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dogo88 Report post Posted July 23, 2010 Good to see more manufacturers coming out with valid hybrids. Never could get into liking Hyundai vehicles. I think most are ugly/weird looking. Dan. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sullied Report post Posted July 23, 2010 http://www.edmunds.com/hyundai/sonatahybrid/2011/testdrive.html#2011sonatahybridiphyundaitd1 Interested in how this car will pan out, interesting how the HWY miles are higher then the City Miles.It uses a different style of hybrid drive...more like the Civic hybrid...which also gets better hwy than city. I'm sure it won't compare to the Fusion in quality. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lolder Report post Posted July 23, 2010 The article referenced says the six-speed multidisc clutch pack transmission is less complex and cheaper than an eCVT. What were they smoking? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cchaos Report post Posted July 23, 2010 Glad to see another hybrid too. I'm not so sure about the car itself -- it looks over-stylized and I think it will look tacky pretty quickly. The Fusion has a cleaner look that should hold up better over time. I do like the fact that it can stay in electric mode up to 62 mph. Also interesting is that the Hyundai has more horsepower than the Fusion Hybrid, but the Hyundai's 0-60 number is actually worse (9.2 vs. 8.5 for the FFH). And the Fusion still gets better gas mileage. Go figure. Nonetheless, it looks like a good alternative for folks who really want a Hyundai midsize sedan with better gas mileage, and it should help encourage Ford to keep innovating the FFH to stay ahead of the competition. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oman Report post Posted July 23, 2010 Based on the very limited technical information in the article, it looks like it doesn't have EV mode nor ICE shut down. Without the eCVT motor (it has a standard transmission) there is no way to start/stop the ICE at will. The beauty of the eCVT is that you need a big motor to start the ICE quickly and the same motor generates power and the same motor controls your gear reduction ratio. It does triple duty. Jon Glad to see another hybrid too. I'm not so sure about the car itself -- it looks over-stylized and I think it will look tacky pretty quickly. The Fusion has a cleaner look that should hold up better over time. I do like the fact that it can stay in electric mode up to 62 mph. Also interesting is that the Hyundai has more horsepower than the Fusion Hybrid, but the Hyundai's 0-60 number is actually worse (9.2 vs. 8.5 for the FFH). And the Fusion still gets better gas mileage. Go figure. Nonetheless, it looks like a good alternative for folks who really want a Hyundai midsize sedan with better gas mileage, and it should help encourage Ford to keep innovating the FFH to stay ahead of the competition. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lolder Report post Posted July 23, 2010 (edited) Based on the very limited technical information in the article, it looks like it doesn't have EV mode nor ICE shut down. Without the eCVT motor (it has a standard transmission) there is no way to start/stop the ICE at will. The beauty of the eCVT is that you need a big motor to start the ICE quickly and the same motor generates power and the same motor controls your gear reduction ratio. It does triple duty. JonThe referenced article seemed to indicate full hybrid operation. It sounds like the M/G is between the ICE and the 6 speed transmission with fast acting computer controlled clutches before and after the M/G. It has a separate starter/generator. This is the "cheaper, simpler" system??? Edited July 23, 2010 by lolder Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oman Report post Posted July 26, 2010 Wow, if that is the case then their simpler system is a WHOLE lot more complex. Sounds like they designed a more complex system to get around the patents. Let's see; an ICE, a complete 6-speed transmission, 2 clutches, Motor Generator MG1, Motor Generator MG2. Or a regular full hybrid: ICE, MG1, MG2. Not having a transmission or clutches to worry about... priceless. Jon The referenced article seemed to indicate full hybrid operation. It sounds like the M/G is between the ICE and the 6 speed transmission with fast acting computer controlled clutches before and after the M/G. It has a separate starter/generator. This is the "cheaper, simpler" system??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lolder Report post Posted July 26, 2010 (edited) I'm not sure there are two separate clutches. The article references a multi-disc clutch. "Automatic-manual" transmissions usually have two clutches. Any mechanical clutch will have more wear than an eCVT. It sounds like Hyundai might have had a problem with the Toyota and Ford hybrid patents and didn't want to play (pay). The plugging of a higher 62 mph EV mode makes you wonder if they don't understand hybrid efficiency or if the're just playing to the public who mistakenly think electric cars are going to be cheap to run. The Hyundai touts an efficient electric oil pump in the 6 speed transmission. I wonder what that's all about?P.S. I just read a CNET review that said the M/G is hard connected to the transmission so it's one clutch. Edited July 26, 2010 by lolder Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
