Energi Gas or Electric break even.

[vangonebuy]

A while back there was a discussion,

Why I chose the FFH over the FFHe. Cost per mile and the trunk size were the key for me.

http://fordfusionhybridforum.com/topic/7213-i-purchased-a-ford-fusion-hybrid-instead-of-a-ford-fusion-energi-because/

Gas prices were higher back in July. $3.70 a gallon.

I decided to revisit the numbers I quoted back then.

Gas is now $3.399 a gallon in limited locations.

On a cost per mile basis, The cost was very close the first time.

 

 

Now with the gas prices coming down.

I see that it's exactly break even. Exactly!

I used the EPA window sticker numbers of 43mpg gas, 21 miles electric.

Owners could judge there own results.

 

Cost per mile = 7.82 cents, electric or gasoline.

using $3.40 a gallon & .23 cents a kwh.

 

We are a penny from no benefit in cost per mile.

 

My point is that electric prices are way too high on Long Island to benefit anyone.

NYC prices, I'm told are recently raised to .25 cents a kwh.

 

This will not be good for any future sales of electric cars in this area.

I did not compare the Tesla or the Prius (plug-in). Just the FFH energi.

 

 

 

[jeff_h]

We have 2-3 related threads on this in the Energi forum and a big wildcard (as you point out) is the cost of electricity. Mine is 11¢ per kWh anytime, which is middle of the road. There is one user who has a night charge rate of I think 2.9¢ per kWh which is great! On the other hand, one user in San Diego is about 29¢ during the good times and 36¢ on the other times... as well as other users from CA, a state where "sock it to me" isn't just a phrase from the past.

[GrySql]

! On the other hand, one user in San Diego is about 29¢ during the good times and 36¢ on the other times... as well as other users from CA, a state where "sock it to me" isn't just a phrase from the past.

Oh, do you mean like this, my bill hits Tier 4 about the 10th day of the month.

 

 

Edited November 22, 2013 by GrySql

[jeff_h]

Yeah that's what I meant, yikes!

[vangonebuy]

Oh, do you mean like this, my bill hits Tier 4 about the 10th day of the month.

 

1527 kwh. Ouch!

 

Is this a 1 month or a 2 month bill?

[Toz]

347$??!? ouch ouch ouch ouch ouch ouch ouch :drop:

[hybridbear]

Oh, do you mean like this, my bill hits Tier 4 about the 10th day of the month.

 

 

Ouch! :drop: In the summer with lots of AC running at home we used a peak of about 600 kWh in a month. In the winter we average about 125-150 kWh per month. What uses so much electricity in your house?

[murphy]

Ouch! :drop: In the summer with lots of AC running at home we used a peak of about 600 kWh in a month. In the winter we average about 125-150 kWh per month. What uses so much electricity in your house?

150 kWh per month is a steady state load of about 205 watts. (150 / 30.4 / 24 * 1000). Two 60 watt light bulbs is more than half of that. There is no way I could ever get that low. In the winter I average about 850 kWh per month. In the summer the 3 ton central air takes that up to around 1200 kWh.

[hybridbear]

150 kWh per month is a steady state load of about 205 watts. (150 / 30.4 / 24 * 1000). Two 60 watt light bulbs is more than half of that. There is no way I could ever get that low. In the winter I average about 850 kWh per month. In the summer the 3 ton central air takes that up to around 1200 kWh.

I suppose our useage is low because we live in an apartment so we are occupying a smaller living space. We found that when we bought our 27-inch iMac 2 years ago that our electric bill went up almost $5/month compared to what it was before running just a small laptop as our main computer. I imagine that most of our electric use is the 1980s fridge we have in our apartment and the dishwasher which gets run almost daily since almost all our light bulbs are CFLs.

[terryb]

Got my first bill from my new provider. $13.85 for my first week usage of 87kwh. My base charge is $0.09896/kwh.

Edited November 25, 2013 by terryb

[GrySql]

Ouch! What uses so much electricity in your house?

In the 1970's, the outlying areas did not have in-ground gas pipelines, and propane tanks are ugly in residential lots.

A wonderful idea was borne, The Medallion All Electric House.

I have one, the only trouble is that electricity has gone up in cost by a gazillion percent in our multi-layered bureaucratic, politically run Utility companies out here on the left coast.

In the summer the HVAC uses 2-3 times more than my normal use. Our winters are somewhat mild and we don't use the heat function too much.

I have cut consumption by 40% and my bill has gone up 70%. They have a simple plan, make us use less electricity and charge higher prices so they provide less and earn more.

 

In Texas the utility companies were deregulated and made to compete with each other, hence the low prices.

Edited November 25, 2013 by GrySql

[hybridbear]

In the 1970's, the outlying areas did not have in-ground gas pipelines, and propane tanks are ugly in residential lots.

A wonderful idea was borne, The Medallion All Electric House.

I have one, the only trouble is that electricity has gone up in cost by a gazillion percent in our multi-layered bureaucratic, politically run Utility companies out here on the left coast.

In the summer the HVAC uses 2-3 times more than my normal use. Our winters are somewhat mild and we don't use the heat function too much.

I have cut consumption by 40% and my bill has gone up 70%. They have a simple plan, make us use less electricity and charge higher prices so they provide less and earn more.

 

In Texas the utility companies were deregulated and made to compete with each other, hence the low prices.

Interesting, and MN is the opposite, everything is natural gas. Furnace, water heater, stove, oven, they're all commonly natural gas here since it's so plentiful and so cheap. That also makes the payback period longer for projects like replacing windows with energy efficient ones since the savings on your natural gas bill are smaller since it's so cheap.

[murphy]

Interesting, and MN is the opposite, everything is natural gas. Furnace, water heater, stove, oven, they're all commonly natural gas here since it's so plentiful and so cheap. That also makes the payback period longer for projects like replacing windows with energy efficient ones since the savings on your natural gas bill are smaller since it's so cheap.

My heat comes from oil at $3.52 per gallon. Natural gas is available out at the main road but the company that built the development didn't bother to run gas lines down the streets.

My domestic hot water, clothes dryer, and emergency generator run on propane at $2.999 per gallon. All would have worked very nicely on natural gas.

 

The township installed water and sewer lines about 10 years ago but again no gas lines.

[GrySql]

My domestic hot water, clothes dryer, and emergency generator run on propane at $2.999 per gallon. All would have worked very nicely on natural gas.

the company that built the development didn't bother to run gas lines down the streets.

There is a natural gas supply line on the main street one block from me.

Ten years ago I asked how much to run a line to my street and house, a 500' run.

I was told that the entire block of houses would have to agree and we would all be billed a one time fee of $13k.

That was not possible.

[murphy]

There is a natural gas supply line on the main street one block from me.

Ten years ago I asked how much to run a line to my street and house, a 500' run.

I was told that the entire block of houses would have to agree and we would all be billed a one time fee of $13k.

That was not possible.

When they installed the sewers they charged me $10,000 to hook up and hook up was mandatory because they wanted all septic systems shut down.

The water was another $3500 but was not mandatory so I still use my well.

[GrySql]

When they installed the sewers they charged me $10,000 to hook up and hook up was mandatory because they wanted all septic systems shut down.

The water was another $3500 but was not mandatory so I still use my well.

That hurts...

[acdii]

OW, I thought my electric was high, and I use a lot more KWH that you do since I have water heaters and tank heaters, and pipe heaters going anytime its below 33*. We have around 500 watts of heaters going 24/7

[tangozulu]

I have an Energi. Electricity rates in the pacific northwest are 9 cents a kwh so I spend about $20 extra a month on electricity at around 800 miles a month. I charge up once at night usually. Average mpge lifetime for the car is currently 78 according to the dashboard. I don't carry a lot of cargo so the small trunk space works for me.

 

http://www.fuelly.com/driver/highvoltage/fusion-energi

[acdii]

In a way I am wishing I had an Energi instead. Less room for my wife to stash junk. I dont know how she manages to stuff the trunk full of stuff when I do most of the driving.

[tangozulu]

A friend bought a Fusion Hybrid and he loves it.

 

The intelligent oil life monitor currently reads 67 percent life left on oil after 5500 miles because the gas engine doesn't run very much. The manual says don't go more than 2 years without changing the oil.

[Texasota]

The intelligent oil life monitor currently reads 67 percent life left on oil after 5500 miles because the gas engine doesn't run very much. The manual says don't go more than 2 years without changing the oil.

 

The owners manual states this for the Fusion Hybrid:

 

You should change your engine oil one year or 10000 miles (16000 kilometers) from the previous oil change. Never exceed one year or 10000 miles (16000 kilometers) between oil change intervals.

 

The owners manual states this for the Fusion Energi:

 

Your vehicle is equipped with the Intelligent Oil-Life Monitor system, which displays a message in the information display at the proper oil change interval. This interval may be up to two years or 20000 miles (32000 kilometers).

[KLH]

A possible benefit - often ignored - is the ability to charge the Energi at work for free.

Edited May 16, 2014 by KLH

[vangonebuy]

A possible benefit - often ignored - is the ability to charge the Energi at work for free.

A free charge. That would change everything.

 

But, It's not an option for me.

[shaggy314]

.12 a kwh on average (the more you use the higher it goes), but I get to charge at work and in 100 other places around the city at $25 for 6 months unlimited. :-D

 

Based on megawatts I've used over the last year, away from home I'm pay <.01 kwh. I did alter my shopping and driving as I tend to go to places I can charge. Until they get crowded it just makes sense. As for gas, I'll let the fuelly below let you know and to say I go between 1600 and 4300 miles per tank. Winter sucks. I'm likely to get tank number 7 here in the next 2 weeks or so... I have about 130 miles of gas left. I'm around 15300 miles for the year.

 

I don't expect it to pay off until years 12-15, but then there will be a battery swap then to eat that up.

Edited August 4, 2014 by shaggy314