2013 FFH vs Energi comparison

[keybman]

The Energi is EPA-rated at 44 city / 41 highway / 43 combined when used as a gas-only vehicle. Since, according to the specs, this is the same 2.0L Atkinson-Cycle engine as in the FFH, why are the EPA figures higher for the FFH (47/47/47)?

[jeff_h]

Lugging around 300lb of extra weight for the larger battery is probably a big factor.

[neod192]

The Energi is heavier (much bigger battery), so it requires more energy to move it around :)

[keybman]

Makes sense. Thanks!

[tombarker13ffh]

Why give the Energi an MPGe rating instead of a MPG rating? Wouldn't it still use some gas during EPA tests? Or are they all short enough they can be done on straight battery power? Does the Energi ever kick on the ICE during heavy acceleration?

[jeff_h]

Why give the Energi an MPGe rating instead of a MPG rating? Wouldn't it still use some gas during EPA tests? Or are they all short enough they can be done on straight battery power? Does the Energi ever kick on the ICE during heavy acceleration?

 

3 Modes are 'EV Now', 'EV later', and 'Auto'

EV Now - stays on EV, acceleration may be slower than if ICE kicked in to help

EV Later - saves battery for later, runs like Fusion Hybrid

Auto - uses EV when possible, ICE kicks in as needed

 

Covered in same owner manual as hybrid, page 155 of the PDF I have saved.

[47Minutes]

I've not really floored mine so far to determine if the ICE will engage for heavy acceleration. Having said that, I believe the answer is yes if it is really needed. But, depending on remaining EV range, it may require pedal to the floor and going up a decent incline to make it happen. If I get a chance I'll try testing it.

 

The MPGe rating is slapped on it mainly because of the 21 mile EV range. That is how the EPA accounts for the electric use vs. the ICE use. It could be that a lot or most of the testing employed falls under the 21 mile range, but we know at least some testing is done with it as the Hybrid in order to the MPG rating.

 

As for how the Energi compares to the Hybrid in Hybrid mode driving (EV range depleted), my first tank of gas came out to 56.2MPG. That is excluding the EV mileage and just straight gas usage.

[CombsAuthor]

I put it in "EV Now" mode a few days ago and floored it several times. Each time it stayed only in electric mode while giving me the option to engage the ICE by pressing the OK button on the left side of the wheel. Although certainly not as powerful as the combined hybrid capabilities, the electric motor delivered instant power and pushed us into our seats each time...pretty cool.

 

The greatest part was driving with the windows down and hearing only the sound of the tires rolling along the road.

[acdii]

I think final gearing is different too since the car can go 20 MPH higher on EV than the hybrid.

[gadgetguy]

I think final gearing is different too since the car can go 20 MPH higher on EV than the hybrid.

 

You are correct about the final drive ratio.

[hybridbear]

Not only is the gearing different but the eCVT design is different to allow MG1 to reach higher RPMs to accommodate driving up to 85 MPH in EV mode without the ICE coming on to slow down MG1.

[rjent]

Not only is the gearing different but the eCVT design is different to allow MG1 to reach higher RPMs to accommodate driving up to 85 MPH in EV mode without the ICE coming on to slow down MG1.

I am going to bump this now with the new software coming out. I would have thought that the final drive would have been different as well, but now I am not so sure. It is possible that since Ford redesigned their variable ratio tranny when they spit with Toy, I have to wonder whether that difference in speed in electric was marketing, OR it may be that at 80 plus MPH the hybrid just consumes the battery too fast. Anyway, I would, as a tech type of guy and a gear head, love to know what and if there are any differences between the power trains ......

[hybridbear]

I am going to bump this now with the new software coming out. I would have thought that the final drive would have been different as well, but now I am not so sure. It is possible that since Ford redesigned their variable ratio tranny when they spit with Toy, I have to wonder whether that difference in speed in electric was marketing, OR it may be that at 80 plus MPH the hybrid just consumes the battery too fast. Anyway, I would, as a tech type of guy and a gear head, love to know what and if there are any differences between the power trains ......

Hopefully some automotive college will buy both vehicles (Hybrid & Energi) to disassemble and use to teach their students. Then they can share what they find.

[tbranca]

I drove the fusion plug in and was get 180mpg going back and forth to work about 44 miles a day. the I drove it from Manassas VA to Baltimore MD did over 300 miles and average 52mpg for the trip. My fusion hybrid is only getting 34 back and forth to work and my best trip mpg was to PA and I got 39 I had It at 40 MPG for a while but couldn't hold it there no mater how slow I would go.