Help needed with a no start and DTC

[powerstroke cowboy]

Hello all,

 

2013 Ford Fusion hybrid.

 

Here's the deal, the car will drive In all electric mode. But the ICE will not start. It does not even try to crank. The 12v battery is new and fully charged. The HVB is fully charged as well. This is not an energi, it's a normal hybrid.

 

 The code I have is F00317. 

 

Look at the picture to verify the code and HVB status. 

 

Thanks for any and all help.

 

David

[billford]

Looks like your in engineering mode. 

Use a code reader in the datalink connector and see what it reads out. 

 

Does the engine run if you keep the gas pedal down all the way?

 

[powerstroke cowboy]

19 hours ago, billford said:

Looks like your in engineering mode. 

Use a code reader in the datalink connector and see what it reads out. 

 

Does the engine run if you keep the gas pedal down all the way?

 

 

Hello,  thank you for the response.

 

Yes, in engineering mode.

 

I do not have a scanner, waiting on my brother to bring his laptop over so we can read data off the OBD2 port.

 

No,  the engine does not run. It will not start. It will not even crank. I have tried holding the gas pedal all the way down for almost a minute to see what would happen. Nothing happened.

 

Thanks for the help!

 

David.

[powerstroke cowboy]

On 2/4/2023 at 12:51 PM, billford said:

Looks like your in engineering mode. 

Use a code reader in the datalink connector and see what it reads out. 

 

Does the engine run if you keep the gas pedal down all the way?

 

 

 

Two codes were  pulled. Then cleared, still no start. After trying to start it, one code came up.

 

First two codes, U0100. And U0293.

 

P1A0C,  was the last code after clearing the other two codes.

Edited February 6, 2023 by powerstroke cowboy

[2014FordFusionSE]

13 hours ago, powerstroke cowboy said:

 

 

Two codes were  pulled. Then cleared, still no start. After trying to start it, one code came up.

 

First two codes, U0100. And U0293.

 

P1A0C,  was the last code after clearing the other two codes.

 

The last code is related to the hybrid PCM:

https://www.autocodes.com/p1a0c_ford.html

 

You've probably seen this but it's a good place to start diagnosing the problem.

Worst case, you'll need a new PCM?

[powerstroke cowboy]

7 hours ago, 2014FordFusionSE said:

 

The last code is related to the hybrid PCM:

https://www.autocodes.com/p1a0c_ford.html

 

You've probably seen this but it's a good place to start diagnosing the problem.

Worst case, you'll need a new PCM?

Yes, I have seen that exact sight.  Infact I have been in and out of it 5 or more times. Haha!!   I plan to start by checking the wires and connectors as they suggest.  Then also make sure I have voltage to the PCM.

 

I have also read a faulty purge valve can throw the same code as well? So I plan to check that out as well.

 

If all the cheap simple things give no results I will move on to getting the PCM re-flashed.  

 

Thanks for your help and suggestions. 

 

David

[powerstroke cowboy]

Hello all,  I have ForScan and I ran it on the fusion.  I picked up two new codes besides the P1A0C. The P1A0C is still present.   The two new codes are attached in picture form.  Thanks for any and all help. 

[powerstroke cowboy]

With farther diagnosing that included flashing and testing all the control module's to make sure they were working properly. I am about 99.9% sure it's a bad transmission/transaxle. 

 

 

 

Not sure when I can take it apart to see for sure. But I will be sure to post up what I find out.

[kuzzi]

This transmission design is shared with some Toyotas. Here’s a diagnostic procedure which appears to check for a short in the MG1 circuit from a Toyota source.

 

https://share.qclt.com/丰田普瑞斯原厂英文手册pdf格式/repair manual/04pruisr/05/21bpm/0a92521.pdf

 

Makes sense if the ECU detects a short in the MG1 circuit it won’t allow the ICE to start.

You have a 2013 with over 100k miles so it may soon start showing signs of the transmission bearing issues that plagued 2013-2015 models, may be worth finding a junkyard 2016+ transaxle regardless.

[powerstroke cowboy]

4 hours ago, kuzzi said:

This transmission design is shared with some Toyotas. Here’s a diagnostic procedure which appears to check for a short in the MG1 circuit from a Toyota source.

 

https://share.qclt.com/丰田普瑞斯原厂英文手册pdf格式/repair manual/04pruisr/05/21bpm/0a92521.pdf

 

Makes sense if the ECU detects a short in the MG1 circuit it won’t allow the ICE to start.

You have a 2013 with over 100k miles so it may soon start showing signs of the transmission bearing issues that plagued 2013-2015 models, may be worth finding a junkyard 2016+ transaxle regardless.

Thanks for the link, I appreciate it.  Do you know if any transaxle from 2016 would work?  I do know the energi is different in the fact it has an electronic oil pump to keep the transaxle lubed even in full EV mode.  That would be a nice option to have.

 

From what I can tell my generator/starter is turning, but the shaft the connects it to the ICE must not be connected.  My guess is it's the bearing that is bad and must have been let go for to long and something went to pieces.  It "cranks" for about 20 seconds, but the ICE never turns and there is bad clanking noise coming from the transaxle. Or atleast from that location.

 

I bought thr car not running. They claimed the HVB went bad and that's why they parked it and where selling it. But I have since charged the HVB and it seems to be good. My guess is,they drove it till the transaxle went bad and since it was out of warranty they parked it rather than paying  Ford 8 grand to fix it. Then they sold it under the claim the HVB went bad since it's  easier and cheaper to change the HVB out.

 

O well,  I got the car cheap knowing I would need to put some time and money into it. I also figured if it was to expensive of a problem I would just part it out. But it looks like if I do the work I can fix the car for less than 2k.  

[kuzzi]

I believe a donor has to be a Cmax or fusion hybrid only. The energi models have a different gear ratio.

[powerstroke cowboy]

10 minutes ago, kuzzi said:

I believe a donor has to be a Cmax or fusion hybrid only. The energi models have a different gear ratio.

 

Thank you.  I am going to pull the transaxle and inspect it before going ahead and buying one.

 

 

I have looked online but can't seem to find parts for the hybrid transaxle.  Do you know of a place that sells parts?

[kuzzi]

It’s been a while since I have looked at an exploded view or parts list but I want to say that Tasca Ford had some of the transmission internals available for purchase if you know the part number but I opted for a junkyard transaxle on my 2013 when the bearings started going bad. I never did determine which bearing was bad in my unit.

Edited February 19, 2023 by kuzzi

[powerstroke cowboy]

4 hours ago, kuzzi said:

It’s been a while since I have looked at an exploded view or parts list but I want to say that Tasca Ford had some of the transmission internals available for purchase if you know the part number but I opted for a junkyard transaxle on my 2013 when the bearings started going bad. I never did determine which bearing was bad in my unit.

Thanks for the information.  I appreciate it.