Invoice pricing explained

[hybridbear]

There is something strange about that car (3FA6P0LU8ER206345).

The sticker issue date is 03/13/14 while the build date, according to ETIS, is 10/28/13.

Under normal circumstances the sticker date is 7 days before the build date not 6 months after the build date.

I have always found the sticker date to show the date I pull it up. I have the window stickers for our white FFH, the old black FFH and my parents' C-Max Energi saved to my computer. I just checked all 3 and all 3 window stickers show the date that I pulled them up and saved them. The date on the window sticker in each case matches the date that my computer shows that the file was created and originally saved to the computer. You're talking about the date at the very bottom of the window sticker, right?

[corncobs]

There is something strange about that car (3FA6P0LU8ER206345).

The sticker issue date is 03/13/14 while the build date, according to ETIS, is 10/28/13.

Under normal circumstances the sticker date is 7 days before the build date not 6 months after the build date.

Isn't the date on the sticker just the date the sticker was "printed"? When I pull up mine it does the same thing the date at the bottom of the page is 03/22/14.

 

Edit: I'm correcting myself. There are two dates on there on print date which we don't see in his post. The second one in the item field with the very long number and that is indeed strange I agree with murphy.

 

There is probably a simple explaination for this. I think I have read that window sticker can be reissued.

Edited March 22, 2014 by corncobs

[Sleddog]

Don't worry about the 91 octane reference. Mine has that reference also. The owner's manual states 87. So fill it with that octane.

[corncobs]

I knew I saw this.

 

Duplicate window sticker - link

 

http://corporate.ford.com/owner-services/customer-support/ask-ford-faqs?packedargs=inputtext%3DDuplicate%2BWindow%2BSticker%26qtype%3Dqn%26questionId%3Dsuggested6

[hybridbear]

Isn't the date on the sticker just the date the sticker was "printed"? When I pull up mine it does the same thing the date at the bottom of the page is 03/22/14.

 

Edit: I'm correcting myself. There are two dates on there on print date which we don't see in his post. The second one in the item field with the very long number and that is indeed strange I agree with murphy.

 

There is probably a simple explaination for this. I think I have read that window sticker can be reissued.

I didn't realize that there was a date in the item field. All three window stickers that I have saved show the date in the item field as being about 7 days before build date.

[larrylwill]

Whers the item field? The only date I see is at the bottem.

[murphy]

Whers the item field? The only date I see is at the bottem.

Directly above the date in the margin. The last six digits are mm dd yy.

[murphy]

I didn't realize that there was a date in the item field. All three window stickers that I have saved show the date in the item field as being about 7 days before build date.

Barring exceptions like holidays etc. the build date is always 7 days after the sticker generation date. The date in the margin is the sticker print date. The actual sticker, that was on my car window, does not have a margin.

[larrylwill]

Mine says 3/13/14 and the bottom says 3/23/14, which is impossible since that's about the date I downloaded it.

Edited March 24, 2014 by larrylwill

[murphy]

Mine says 3/13/14 and the bottom says 3/23/14, which is impossible since that's about the date I downloaded it.

That is correct. The date in the margin is the date the document was downloaded / printed.

[larrylwill]

The web page of the dealer said the car has 10 miles on it, the salesman just told me it has 58 miles. How abnormal is that?

[murphy]

It probably did have 10 miles when it was posted on the web site. Since then it's probably been on a few test drives.

[larrylwill]

I just thought 58

seemed a little high. The only other new car I bought only had 2 on it. Im flying to Falls Church Va. Thursday to get it.

Edited March 26, 2014 by larrylwill

[hybridbear]

I just thought 58

seemed a little high. The only other new car I bought only had 2 on it. Im flying to Falls Church Va. Thursday to get it.

When we bought the white FFH the dealer had it listed online as having under 15 miles. Actual was about 225. This is because it was originally shipped to a dealer in Southern MN and then ended up in the Twin Cities. This was obvious deception on their part IMO because the car had was more than 15 miles on it when it arrived at their dealership from Red Wing.

 

Be careful of that.

[Jim McGinnis]

Does anyone know anything about ford x plan pricing?

[acdii]

If you are looking to find out what X plan pricing is, here is a link

 

https://www.fordpartner.com/partnerweb/home.do

 

NDUNV

[acdii]

X plan pricing on my HyTi which has Nav, Sunroof, ACC, and Drivers package comes to $35,204.

[murphy]

If your X-Plan is based on owning Ford stock this link may be of interest.

 

http://www.fordflex.net/misc/ford-shareholders-x-plan-application.pdf

[bcrisp]

Murphy,

 

Wow, how I wish I would have known about Ford's 'thank you' to shareholders. I looked up that link and this flavor of X-pricing equates to 4% over employee pricing. Do you know how much employee pricing is? That + 4% has to be a darn site better than the best deal I could negotiate as John Q. Public. Had I known, I would've purchased Ford's stock. Given their aversion to Gov't bailout during the recession, unlike those other American car manufacturer bastuds, I believed Ford deserved our consumer dollars. And, had I made the leap and purchased their stock around the time I placed my order for the 2013 FFH, I would've made a cool 54.7%. Oct 31st 2012 price was $10.70/share. 13 June 2014 closing price was $16.56. Ain't no bank in the world that'll give you that kind of return.

 

I'm sure everyone's aware by now of Ford making it right with gas mileage estimates on the 2013/2014 models. Unlike GM that let people die over concealing their engineering mistakes, Ford fessed up on 12 June and issued a statement stating FFH owners will be getting a check for $775 to make up the difference in fuel cost (47mpg down to 42mpg). Ford lost 30-cents in stock price since their announcement but their brand value rose 56% in the latest Brand Z survey. Things are looking up and I still think they deserve our dollars. All companies make mistakes sometimes but at least Ford fessed up and they're making it right ... and they're not waiting 10 years to do it. I grew up loving the Chevy Camaro (owned 3 of them) but I wouldn't own one if it were free these days. GM won't see a dime of my money. I'm off to do some research to see if now's a good entry point for Ford's stock.

 

I'm clueless about employee pricing but I'll take a wild stab and say that it's equivalent to the invoice price minus the holdback rate. That may be plausible, given it means the dealership doesn't lose anything (actually they'd still make a little). Under that model for a 2014 HyTi, the shareholder Friends & Family price would be $200 over invoice, or $491 better than Partner Pricing ($30,777):

 

Ford holdback = 953.25 (3% MSRP - dest)
HyTi invoice 30,074
- 953 (holdback - dest)
= 29,121 emp price
x .04 (shareholder rate)
= 1,164.84
+ 29,121 emp price
= 30,285.84 (shareholder price)

 

If that's true, it's a much better deal than Partner Pricing and, given Ford's trend for stock appreciation, well worth the investment.

Edited June 15, 2014 by bcrisp

[bcrisp]

If you are looking to find out what X plan pricing is, here is a link

 

https://www.fordpartner.com/partnerweb/home.do

 

NDUNV

 

Acdii,

 

This is interesting and THANK YOU for posting it.

 

I looked up this Partner Pricing and used Edmunds to determine Invoice price. Their MSRP was spot-on with Ford's price list. In this theorhetical example, I used the 2014 HyTi with no options. MRSP = $32,600. Invoice = $30,074. Partner Price = $30,777, which comes to $703 over invoice. When I buy a car in this price range, my price target is Invoice + $500. Of course I don't always get that, as there's many variables that work toward what a dealership is willing to let it go for. So that Partner Pricing would be great for someone wanting a very efficient sale price determination (it's predetermined), or for one that wants to forego all the back-n-forth with a salesman, which takes time, effort, emotional pain with a good injection of poker face. I'm really curious what the employee price rate is so that I can determine if shareholder pricing (employee rate + 4%, per the letter Murphy posted) is a better deal.

[hermans]

As to employee pricing (A & Z plans) if you take about 10% off the sticker price it comes out right most of the time. Having bought 12 or more cars like this over the years the 10% rule has really come close every time.

[bcrisp]

As to employee pricing (A & Z plans) if you take about 10% off the sticker price it comes out right most of the time. Having bought 12 or more cars like this over the years the 10% rule has really come close every time.

 

Thanks for posting that, hermans. 12 iterations makes you a master at this :) Let's see how that works out:

 

$32,600 (MSRP) - 3,260 (10%) = $29,340 (employee price). That's just $219 more than my unejumahkated guess.

 

29,340 (emp pricing; $734 under Invoice - sweet)

x .04 (shareholder rate)

= 1,173.60

+ 29,340

= 30,513.60 (shareholder sale price) -or- $439.60 over Invoice (30,074) -or- $263.40 under Partner Pricing (30,777). Mileage may vary :)

[hermans]

My 2013 FFH's sticker price was $34,585.The Z Plan (retired employee) price was $31,067. On top of that I got any incentives offered by the dealer or Ford. That brought the price of the car down to $29,567. So I got a $34,585 car for $29,567. The A & Z plan price is the same. That works out to a hair over 10%. It was the same with my 2013 MKZh and was about the same 10%.

 

The A & Z plan pricing is below what the dealer pays for the car and Ford pays the dealer so they can make a small profit. I had a couple of dealers tell me that without me buying any extras they make about $600 on the deal. If you buy the extra warranty and such, their profit goes up. The dealer is not allowed to charge any dealer prep. If you buy a car through a dealer trade, they cannot charge you for any extras added by the first dealer. On one such trade I got a free dealer added alarm and window security etching, which cost them about $25.00.

Edited June 16, 2014 by hermans