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#41 OFFLINE   md13ffhguy

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Posted 10 April 2015 - 07:53 PM

Ok Ok  Ok, I just got 600+ miles on my last tank and I'm still not happy about my gas only mpg. Wife thinks I'm nuts. Go figure.

I agree with her. ;)
It's not a gas-only car, so don't sweat it. Keep on driving.

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#42 OFFLINE   lolder

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Posted 10 April 2015 - 10:23 PM

Here's the math. You go 2 miles with the ICE on indicating 20 mpg. That's 0.1 gal. During that time you have charged the HVB high enough to drive 2 miles in EV at which time you're back to the same SOC in the HVB that you started with. You've gone 4 miles on 0.1 gal which is 40 mpg which is what the trip summary would read. I used even numbers and distances for simplicity. The mpg while the ICE is running is almost immaterial. All of the Toyota / Ford eCVT models behave this way.


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#43 OFFLINE   Bob Cooke

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Posted 12 April 2015 - 05:14 PM

Ok just checking to see if I'm on the right track or not. I will be taking a long road trip to Colorado in July, :shift:  So I curious to see if the 40 MPG rating on the highway is close. I know that driving in the mountains is certain to take a toll on my mileage, However I'm very curious if the highway driving will render 40 plus mpg's. Thank you for all of your input as I value

all of your information as crucial to my quest for the holy grail of MPG's the ever elusive 700.


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Posted 12 April 2015 - 10:09 PM

Your highway MPG will be very dependent on the speed you drive. Below 65 MPH (with no head wind) I am able to reliably achieve 40 (or a little better).



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Posted 12 April 2015 - 10:27 PM

Ok just checking to see if I'm on the right track or not. I will be taking a long road trip to Colorado in July, :shift:  So I curious to see if the 40 MPG rating on the highway is close. I know that driving in the mountains is certain to take a toll on my mileage, However I'm very curious if the highway driving will render 40 plus mpg's. Thank you for all of your input as I value

all of your information as crucial to my quest for the holy grail of MPG's the ever elusive 700.

You should do fine. I took my fist long trip in February and posted about it here. Total miles 1148, 26.95 gallons, 42.6 mpg. 75 mph freeway driving plus slower driving.


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Posted 13 April 2015 - 04:22 PM

Your highway MPG will be very dependent on the speed you drive. Below 65 MPH (with no head wind) I am able to reliably achieve 40 (or a little better).

It wasn't long ago that 40mpg was an almost magical number that few car owners could achieve, now look at how we talk.  :)


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#47 OFFLINE   Texasota

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Posted 13 April 2015 - 09:27 PM

It wasn't long ago that 40mpg was an almost magical number that few car owners could achieve, now look at how we talk.  :)

Agreed. It also seems like it was not that long ago that hybrids were known for providing very good MPG during city driving and no so much for highway driving. Today’s hybrids excel at both.  The FFH significantly outperforms the gas Fusions in both city and highway.  It is impressive.


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#48 OFFLINE   darrelld

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Posted 22 April 2015 - 09:55 AM

Consumer Reports recently rated the Fusion Hybrid price premium payback at 5 years even at $2.20 per gallon gas. The FFH had the quickest payback of any hybrid.

 

http://www.consumerr...money/index.htm


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Posted 22 April 2015 - 10:05 AM

thanks guys for your encouragement. I want acddi's numbers..Lol

After 2 tanks and nearly 1000 miles I have an average of 40.9 which is a 10-15% increase over the lifetime (16 month) average of the Fiesta I had prior.  I still have learning and adjusting to do but I'm tickled pink!  And don't tell anyone but for a larger car than any I have owned since 2002 or so, this is a fun beast to drive.

 

For the left screens I have Empower setup with the brake coach popup when I stop.  I try to keep the coach over 85% but sometimes it just doesn't work that way.  Trip 1 right now is showing about 44 MPG for 150 miles or so.


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Posted 22 April 2015 - 10:19 AM

Here's the math. You go 2 miles with the ICE on indicating 20 mpg. That's 0.1 gal. During that time you have charged the HVB high enough to drive 2 miles in EV at which time you're back to the same SOC in the HVB that you started with. You've gone 4 miles on 0.1 gal which is 40 mpg which is what the trip summary would read. I used even numbers and distances for simplicity. The mpg while the ICE is running is almost immaterial. All of the Toyota / Ford eCVT models behave this way.

Okay - question.  In two fillups so far, EV miles has been about 46-48% of the total miles.  That makes ICE running slightly more than 50% of the time.  Based on what I **think** I read in your statement, I need to get ICE percentage 50 or less in order to really see improvement in MPG.  Am I correct?

 

Admittedly I am not tracking each and every run in the car, but only when I fill up.  I'm still happy at a 10-15% increase over the little Fiesta 4-banger average and that was mid-30s.


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Posted 22 April 2015 - 01:14 PM

No, you want the ICE to run more. Ford made a mistake when they upped the max EV speed to 86 mph. EV is less efficient than the ICE at speeds over about 40 mph. Ford was clutching at straws trying to meet their EPA numbers and finally revised them downwards 4 mpg and made a cash payment to owners. Whenever you need substantial power during acceleration or hill climbing or higher speeds, the ICE should be on. Don't milk the EV mode.



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Posted 22 April 2015 - 01:42 PM

No, you want the ICE to run more. Ford made a mistake when they upped the max EV speed to 86 mph. EV is less efficient than the ICE at speeds over about 40 mph. Ford was clutching at straws trying to meet their EPA numbers and finally revised them downwards 4 mpg and made a cash payment to owners. Whenever you need substantial power during acceleration or hill climbing or higher speeds, the ICE should be on. Don't milk the EV mode.

okey dokey!  Also, seeing some of the other comments on it I'm going to dink around with EV+ and ECO Cruise (neither of which I've used yet).  Back to the manual for a little bit! <shrug>  I'm still in somewhat of a what-does-this-do stage yet.


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Posted 22 April 2015 - 01:56 PM

No, you want the ICE to run more.

I just don't think this blanket statement is true. Depending on the circumstances (speed limits, traffic flow), I've posted some very good MPG's with both high (>50%) and low (30%) EV use.
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#54 OFFLINE   md13ffhguy

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Posted 22 April 2015 - 01:58 PM

Learning the car and how it responds under different conditions is the key. This just takes time.
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Posted 22 April 2015 - 02:06 PM

I just don't think this blanket statement is true. Depending on the circumstances (speed limits, traffic flow), I've posted some very good MPG's with both high (>50%) and low (30%) EV use.


I agree that depends on circumstances. For me to see higher MPGs I have to be around 50 % EV.
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Posted 22 April 2015 - 06:35 PM

I personally shoot for consistent EV percentages in the 60% - 70% range, but that is probably not practical for everyone, given that everyone has different time and travel requirements and/or preferences.
 

See this post for example pics of cumulative EV mileage percentages which are right at 70%.


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Posted 22 April 2015 - 09:06 PM

Consumer Reports recently rated the Fusion Hybrid price premium payback at 5 years even at $2.20 per gallon gas. The FFH had the quickest payback of any hybrid.

 

http://www.consumerr...money/index.htm

My payback happened on the first trip. Sharp looking car, great gas mileage, good sounding stereo. Yep 100% win. 


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Posted 22 April 2015 - 09:57 PM

I just don't think this blanket statement is true. Depending on the circumstances (speed limits, traffic flow), I've posted some very good MPG's with both high (>50%) and low (30%) EV use.

I agree. While in SW Florida this winter I consistently scored my best MPG results (actual as opposed to trip display) when achieving high EV utilization.



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Posted 23 April 2015 - 12:59 AM

My payback happened on the first trip. Sharp looking car, great gas mileage, good sounding stereo. Yep 100% win. 


Bingo! Why wait 5 years to claim it...?

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Posted 23 April 2015 - 09:49 PM

 Today though, the car has become a pain in MY ass. Literally, my left hip hurts badly. I drove to Iowa then to Wisconsin, so I spent 6 hours in the car today and that seat has me in lots of pain, not even 4 Aleve has helped.   I need to find a Luxury SE on a lot and have a sit in it, and if its comfy I am going to try and find one from a scrap yard.  

 

Between the seat and how the brakes have been acting up, starting to not want to drive the car every day. 

 

BTW wind sux. my trips today netted no better than 38 MPG. My trip home with the wind behind me though, 50 MPG. LOL Wind was out of the NW so only my trip home which is SW was good, the rest of my trips were either quartering or right into it. 


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