Ford's Jim Farley: “We know everyone who breaks the law, we know when you're doing it. We have GPS in your car, so we know what you're doing"

[hybridbear]

From the C-Max Hybrid Forum

 

http://rt.com/usa/fo...rveillance-382/

 

Ford later retracted the comments

http://www.businessinsider.com/ford-jim-farley-retracts-statements-tracking-drivers-gps-2014-1

 

http://www.thecarconnection.com/news/1089607_fords-jim-farley-apologizes-for-claiming-we-know-what-youre-doing

 

http://www.foxbusiness.com/industries/2014/01/10/ford-reverses-claim-it-knows-when-customers-break-law/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxbusiness%2Fsection%2Fnews+%28Internal+-+News+-+Text%29

 

I wonder if this exec will still have a job come Monday after this blunder...

[corncobs]

Upps....

 

Not smart words for a marketing and communications VP

[MaineFusion]

The impression I've gotten about this is that the point he was trying to make is that the data is being generated and that there needs to be laws and regulations about how it gets used so that there is a uniform standard across the industry. There needs to be laws that spell out who owns the data and who can gain access to it how.

[acdii]

This has been discussed many times at other forums I have been on, and you are 100% correct, there do need to be laws regarding this information. Does something like this fall under Constitutional protection, as in illegal search and seizure if they grab the data without your permission and try to use it against you?

[MaineFusion]

This has been discussed many times at other forums I have been on, and you are 100% correct, there do need to be laws regarding this information. Does something like this fall under Constitutional protection, as in illegal search and seizure if they grab the data without your permission and try to use it against you?

From what I've been reading in regards to the NSA spying, the way courts have interpreted the 4th Amendment so far is that once your data is shared with a third party (e.g. your email being on Google's servers) it no longer enjoys 4th amendment productions. This is how the NSA has been able to get away with scraping up all the metadata in regards to phone records.

 

In this case that would mean one your car's data was transmitted to Ford, it would no longer have 4th amendment protections. Since it has become virtually impossible to keep electronic data like this from being transmitted to third parties, laws need to be updated to ensure 4th Amendment protections extend to data like this that just happens to go through someone else's servers. Laws also need to spell out that data collected by a car's computers belongs to the owner of the car.

[GrySql]

This goes even deeper and is getting all pervasive.

If you have an Android phone you can be tracked, if Location Services is turned on in your iPhone or iPad you can be tracked.

If your car has a Garmin or Tom-Tom GPS plugged it can be tracked, On-Star with a GM vehicle tracks you.

If you use the internet or plug in your computer to any router you can be tracked, use your laptop at a Starbucks, you can be monitored and data taken.

Personal privacy in the USA is almost at an end and it would take a very determined person to keep a low profile.

 

I had a friend who's husband got mad and left for a few days, she was worried and didn't know what to do to find him.

I suggested that she call their credit card company and ask where the last places it was used, no problem, she tracked him down, they made up and all was well.

 

There are few areas where this information data-mining is not intensifying, Google being the biggest, mostly unregulated, world-wide pirate of all.

The NSA is just another doing the same thing, Google does it because they can, it's very profitable.

There are companies that you can hire that attempt to delete you from public records and they do, for the most part, but some data gathering cannot be turned off by you or me.

 

The 'Black Box' in all the newest vehicles sold in the USA (like our Fusions) is indicative of the assault on personal privacy and the legal ramifications of this data gathering are yet to be determined.

The fact that if I am in a collision and which exact pedals were used and when, vehicle speed, direction of travel and other parameters must make certain lawyers happy, it does not make me happy.

[MaineFusion]

The 'Black Box' in all the newest vehicles sold in the USA (like our Fusions) is indicative of the assault on personal privacy and the legal ramifications of this data gathering are yet to be determined.

The fact that if I am in a collision and which exact pedals were used and when, vehicle speed, direction of travel and other parameters must make certain lawyers happy, it does not make me happy.

 

In this case the data could be a two edged sword. For really careful drivers, the "black box" data could help exonerate them as a contributing factor in an accident. At the same time the data could be used to help pin the blame for an accident on the driver. What the data actually means could also be twisted by clever lawyers/insurance companies to suit their own ends. This is why who controls the data and under what conditions the data can be disclosed needs to be laid down in law.

 

In the big scheme of things this data will be of tremendous value to help make cars safer. It might also help encourage some drivers to drive more safely. Unfortunately, there is also a great potential for this data to be misused.

[GrySql]

 

. Unfortunately, there is also a great potential for this data to be misused.

 

This is the crux of the matter. In my lifetime that seems to be the trend, today more than ever.

 

Edited February 9, 2014 by GrySql

[MaineFusion]

 

This is the crux of the matter. In my lifetime that seems to be the trend, today more than ever.

 

Ya, it seems everyone wants to take extreme liberties with data There is not enough considerations made to protecting personal privacy.

[acdii]

This goes even deeper and is getting all pervasive.

If you have an Android phone you can be tracked, if Location Services is turned on in your iPhone or iPad you can be tracked.

If your car has a Garmin or Tom-Tom GPS plugged it can be tracked, On-Star with a GM vehicle tracks you.

If you use the internet or plug in your computer to any router you can be tracked, use your laptop at a Starbucks, you can be monitored and data taken.

Personal privacy in the USA is almost at an end and it would take a very determined person to keep a low profile.

 

I had a friend who's husband got mad and left for a few days, she was worried and didn't know what to do to find him.

I suggested that she call their credit card company and ask where the last places it was used, no problem, she tracked him down, they made up and all was well.

 

There are few areas where this information data-mining is not intensifying, Google being the biggest, mostly unregulated, world-wide pirate of all.

The NSA is just another doing the same thing, Google does it because they can, it's very profitable.

There are companies that you can hire that attempt to delete you from public records and they do, for the most part, but some data gathering cannot be turned off by you or me.

 

The 'Black Box' in all the newest vehicles sold in the USA (like our Fusions) is indicative of the assault on personal privacy and the legal ramifications of this data gathering are yet to be determined.

The fact that if I am in a collision and which exact pedals were used and when, vehicle speed, direction of travel and other parameters must make certain lawyers happy, it does not make me happy.

You are not just a kiddin here! Last night i was showing my friend the old house I used to live in before moving to where I am now. I saw what it sold for, so then I looked up my current address, and found similar information, and then some, at the bootm of the first google page, there I was, email address, name, everything.

 

Further proof that you really need to be more careful about information you present to everyone. If you are one of those soccer moms who likes to plaster your kids names and the sport they play with the school and have more than one kid, guess how easy it is to find out your name, then from there, find out where you live. After all, most people have the car dealer plastered on their car, so there is another piece of information. Beware, drive a really expensive SUV with your kids names plastered on it, ou just might be found out where you live, cased, find out when you are not going to be home and have your house robbed. If you have such a nice expensive car, chances are you have a ton of other nice expensive things in the house too.

 

Also if you use BT on your phone, shut it off when you are not in the car. Anyone can force pair your phone and steal whatever is on it. If you do banking on your phone, be very careful where and when you use it, and turn OFF your BT when you do.

[GrySql]

Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean it's not happening.

In this case you have to be old enough to remember when all this electronic mobility was not even available.

Erosion of rights and privacy requires that people forget what happens when those are gone. History does repeat itself.

[acdii]

My favorite saying, those who fail to learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.