MPG Happy Talk

[Riggo]

Two days in a row on my trip home from work over 50 mpg. Weird. Maybe this whole "breaking in" thing has some legs.

 

[corncobs]

LOL I for one am not. I dont mind cold weather, but this last winter was brutal!

Ditto...

[gadgetguy]

Ok here are some very good numbers from today. I had to leave the office to go by a vendor then to another campus to drop off some disks. All of these trips are city/country roads no interstate speeds ranging from 30 to 60.

 

First pic is office to vendor with temps in the mid 70's ICE warm and battery about 1/2. This trip was no A/C windows cracked hilly terrain.

 

This trip is vendor to campus same terrain but with A/C and windy because it started raining.

 

This trip is campus to home. Same type of terrain with A/C no rain but still windy.

 

So I traveled :shift: 72.1 miles on 1.3 gallons of gas which if you combine that is an average of 55.46 combined mpg but I never hit that high of a number???

 

That's awesome!!! :yahoo: :happy feet:

[Riggo]

It stinks that it doesn't show 2 decimal places.

If you were to average out each trip and say it was at .35, .65 and .45 gallons then the trips would come out to more like 49.7 mpg which is sort of closer to reality right?

 

Maybe they'll throw us an update where the 2nd decimal place will be visible. Although I guess it's a feel good thing to see you only used ".3" gallons when in reality it could be ".39"

 

It seems to be gas station logic, $3.49 (and the 9/10th of a penny) looks better than $3.50 a gallon.

Edited June 6, 2013 by Riggo

[gadgetguy]

It stinks that it doesn't show 2 decimal places.

If you were to average out each trip and say it was at .35, .65 and .45 gallons then the trips would come out to more like 49.7 mpg which is sort of closer to reality right?

 

Maybe they'll throw us an update where the 2nd decimal place will be visible. Although I guess it's a feel good thing to see you only used ".3" gallons when in reality it could be ".39"

 

It seems to be gas station logic, $3.49 (and the 9/10th of a penny) looks better than $3.50 a gallon.

Yeah I figured it was the olé decimal point thing and your math looks like it could be close lol.. Regardless even if the combined was 49+ that's awesome!

[kuzzi]

Keeps going up.

Had to slam on the brakes for a vehicle fire near the BW8/I-45 interchange. Was a newer Ram pickup truck. Fire started in the rear, smoke was blowing across all traffic.

[acdii]

They DO get 47 MPG!!!! :happy feet: :worship: :yahoo: :hi5: :rockon:

 

 

 

 

60* temps today too, so I now know 100% for certain that it was not my driving! LOL :shift: :wub:

[jeff_h]

They DO get 47 MPG!! 60* temps today too, so I now know 100% for certain that it was not my driving! LOL

 

And that's with just 300 miles on the odometer... give it another 1,000 - 2,000 miles, and under the same conditions I would bet that would have been over 50.

Edited June 7, 2013 by jeff_h

[corncobs]

They DO get 47 MPG!!!! :happy feet: :worship: :yahoo: :hi5: :rockon:

 

 

 

 

60* temps today too, so I now know 100% for certain that it was not my driving! LOL :shift: :wub:

Very cool you are for sure deserving this! Should give you some satisfaction that you can show EPA on the same car with only 300 miles compare to the Blue Devil with extreme P&G BS in order to get to 40 MPG.

 

Like Jeff said I can't wait to see 50+ MPG once it's broken in.

[terryb]

OK, I'm taking up a charity collection to help me trade my 5k mile 37mpg SE for a 50+ HyTi.

 

Bah Humbug!

[corncobs]

OK, I'm taking up a charity collection to help me trade my 5k mile 37mpg SE for a 50+ HyTi.

 

Bah Humbug!

I would love to see Ford to take these issues more seriously it's definitely unfair for customers to be stuck with a car not being able to get decent mileage.

 

I don't think I happens very often that someone gets a bad one trades it in and pretty much orders another one. Now acdii has proven that he can get EPA in a correct working car and Ford should be ashamed putting all the low MPG claims into the YMWV bucket.

The FFH is way to nice to get a bad reputation for not getting EPA MPG in some cars.

[acdii]

You said it CC!

[kuzzi]

How do I get to trip summary?

[acdii]

Count the bugs on your teeth!

[hybridbear]

Trips from last night and this morning. Between same points, the trip that's 7+ miles is taking the scenic route

 

 

I used to think the scenic route also have better MPGs, now I'm thinking it's the opposite

 

This really shocked me when I turned off the car, I wasn't expecting it to be this good! :banvictory:

[hybridbear]

OK, I'm taking up a charity collection to help me trade my 5k mile 37mpg SE for a 50+ HyTi.

 

Bah Humbug!

It's a shame that Ford won't acknowledge the issues. Unfortunately I think at this point the class action lawsuit is one of the better options for the ppl with low MPGs to get Ford's attention. Acdii's experience with his new HyTi is something that the lawyers on this class action should use in proving that certain cars are defective. I hope that's the approach they take in the lawsuit - claiming that the low mileage cars are defective - rather than just attacking Ford. I think there will be more success if you try to convince Ford that they had a bunch of defective ones instead of attacking them over the EPA ratings.

 

Hahahaha good thing Ford didn't do their EPA testing with one of the defective ones!!

[Riggo]

I found something weird today. It was 71 degrees when I left the house and I had about 1/2 SOC. About 1 minute into the trip while running on EV the engine came on. I checked the hybrid screen and it said the engine was running because the engine was cold. Is that normal? I'd hate to think how long the engine is going to run when it gets in the 30s if it has to come on when it's 70F outside! Oh well, just thought it was a little weird. I probably should have looked it up on here as the answer is probably in another forum, but I feel particularly lazy today.

Edited June 7, 2013 by Riggo

[acdii]

I found something weird today. It was 71 degrees when I left the house and I had about 1/2 SOC. About 1 minute into the trip while running on EV the engine came on. I checked the hybrid screen and it said the engine was running because the engine was cold. Is that normal? I'd hate to think how long the engine is going to run when it gets in the 30s if it has to come on when it's 70F outside! Oh well, just thought it was a little weird. I probably should have looked it up on here as the answer is probably in another forum, but I feel particularly lazy today.

Perfectly normal. The emissions do need to warm up and when your pack reaches about 40% rough estimate, the ICE will kick on, so it was doing double duty, charging and warming up. On a cold day under 40* the ICE may come on immediately, or as soon as you put it in drive, depending on your HVAC settings.

[gkinla]

I found something weird today. It was 71 degrees when I left the house and I had about 1/2 SOC. About 1 minute into the trip while running on EV the engine came on. I checked the hybrid screen and it said the engine was running because the engine was cold. Is that normal? I'd hate to think how long the engine is going to run when it gets in the 30s if it has to come on when it's 70F outside! Oh well, just thought it was a little weird. I probably should have looked it up on here as the answer is probably in another forum, but I feel particularly lazy today.

The ICE will heat up very fast due to the fact that the ICE has a Energy Recapture Manifold. I helps warm up the ICE by recirculating coolant through the exhaust manifold. I was wondering why my 2013 FFH was getting cabin heat much faster than my 2010 FFH. Heating the coolant using the exhaust manifold decreases the length of time the engine has to run and will save fuel.

[Riggo]

Perfectly normal. The emissions do need to warm up and when your pack reaches about 40% rough estimate, the ICE will kick on, so it was doing double duty, charging and warming up. On a cold day under 40* the ICE may come on immediately, or as soon as you put it in drive, depending on your HVAC settings.

 

Ah ok, well that makes sense. :worship:

[gadgetguy]

Ok so here is this mornings commute and as I thought rain can play a major factor in mpg performance. Same route as the last 2 days but similar conditions as the day before yesterday. Left house with ICE warm, mid 60's and approx 3/4 battery. No rain so climate was off and windows were cracked. This by far is my best number yet for my commute and I will probably continue to take this route on my way to work. Too congested for the trip home so doubt I will take it the opposite direction.

:shift: :drool: :yahoo:

 

Now that I can deal with!!! My lifetime has climbed to 41.2 and I am sitting at almost 44 mpg average for the tank!!

 

It does sadden me to see others who don't seem to be able to achieve good numbers because this truly is a fantastic car in so many ways.

 

Love this car!!!

[hybridbear]

More trips from today

 

 

 

 

Tank average currently sits at 55.0 with a little more than half used up. I'm hoping for 50 MPG for this tank because the car is going in to the dealer Monday to get a bunch of little things done and then Thursday I have to drive to Owatonna for work which is 60 miles each way on freeway at 65 MPH so that will hurt my MPGs :(

[gkinla]

Most of my driving is around and about the Los Angeles area city streets and its never quiet day or night. My lifetime mileage is 34.4 MPG. This is what is is. Hybridbear's brake scores are 100% which means he has time to plan the stop, and with that knowledge he probably has a fairly gentle acceleration. My 100% brake scores are about 4 out of 10, with life time at 90%. Lights change, cars dart out in front so braking is offen and hard. You really can't accelerate to keep the car in EV, too many people in back of you white knuckling the steering wheel honking the horn, so you pulse it, ICE to get up to speed then back off to shut the ICE off. I don't drive my 2013 FFH hard, as my previous car was a 2010 FFH, so I had gentle driving skills already established. The 34.4 MPG is 10.2% higher than my previous FFH. So I'm happy with that. There are times when I get lucky with lights and catch long stretches of green lights, then I get in the low 40's. Freeway driving is better, I've gotten 51 MPG on a 95 mile leg of a trip at 65 MPH with FWY traffic being steady, using ACC. So, I know the car is capable of getting the stated mileage.

 

I don't doubt there have been 2013 FFH's with problems. I think my low MPG is invironmentally generated. Many short trips. I've noticed this before, water dripping out of the lower vent hole in the muffler and soot on the lower half of the tail pipe. The water dripping out of the muffler tells me that it's not up to a high enough temp to boil off all the water generated by burning gasoline, approx 1.5 gal H2O/1 gal of gas, some of the water condenses in the muffler and drips out. The ICE never really gets up to max temp with these short trips and runs rich. Longer trips on the freeway, I don't notice this as the ICE is on most of the time and the system does get up to temp. Attached are two pictures that show the soot and drips. This was after a short three stop, three mile trip that took one half hour.

 

Tail pipe soot.

 

Water on ground dripping out of muffler.

[hybridbear]

Another couple trips today. Tank average this morning was 54.3, now up to 55.7. My current progress on the 1000 mile challenge sits at 58.6 MPG. Unfortunately we won't complete another thousand miles before leaving on our vacation so this one wont count :(

 

 

This trip started with a cold ICE

[hybridbear]

Most of my driving is around and about the Los Angeles area city streets and its never quiet day or night. My lifetime mileage is 34.4 MPG. This is what is is. Hybridbear's brake scores are 100% which means he has time to plan the stop, and with that knowledge he probably has a fairly gentle acceleration. My 100% brake scores are about 4 out of 10, with life time at 90%. Lights change, cars dart out in front so braking is offen and hard. You really can't accelerate to keep the car in EV, too many people in back of you white knuckling the steering wheel honking the horn, so you pulse it, ICE to get up to speed then back off to shut the ICE off. I don't drive my 2013 FFH hard, as my previous car was a 2010 FFH, so I had gentle driving skills already established. The 34.4 MPG is 10.2% higher than my previous FFH. So I'm happy with that. There are times when I get lucky with lights and catch long stretches of green lights, then I get in the low 40's. Freeway driving is better, I've gotten 51 MPG on a 95 mile leg of a trip at 65 MPH with FWY traffic being steady, using ACC. So, I know the car is capable of getting the stated mileage.

 

I don't doubt there have been 2013 FFH's with problems. I think my low MPG is invironmentally generated. Many short trips. I've noticed this before, water dripping out of the lower vent hole in the muffler and soot on the lower half of the tail pipe. The water dripping out of the muffler tells me that it's not up to a high enough temp to boil off all the water generated by burning gasoline, approx 1.5 gal H2O/1 gal of gas, some of the water condenses in the muffler and drips out. The ICE never really gets up to max temp with these short trips and runs rich. Longer trips on the freeway, I don't notice this as the ICE is on most of the time and the system does get up to temp. Attached are two pictures that show the soot and drips. This was after a short three stop, three mile trip that took one half hour.

 

Tail pipe soot.

 

Water on ground dripping out of muffler.

I started another topic about this because I think it will be an interesting discussion to see if the owners who drive mostly freeway miles don't have this...thread here