2009 Fusion Hybrid

[Hybrid]

What I'm waiting for is the Hybrids for the Fusion amd the Milan.

 

The information I have is that they will be coming out as an 2009 model and will be in the dealerships in Sept. 2008.

 

Do you have any further update?

[akirby]

What I'm waiting for is the Hybrids for the Fusion amd the Milan.

 

The information I have is that they will be coming out as an 2009 model and will be in the dealerships in Sept. 2008.

 

Do you have any further update?

 

2010 model, built December 2008 and on sale in January 2009.

[Hybrid]

2010 model, built December 2008 and on sale in January 2009.

Thank you for this informantion, but I would like any other information you have, such as:

 

Will it have the same set up as the escape?, any idea of MPG, Etc.

 

 

Thanks!

[akirby]

Thank you for this informantion, but I would like any other information you have, such as:

 

Will it have the same set up as the escape?, any idea of MPG, Etc.

 

 

Thanks!

 

I've seen nothing leaked, hinted at or even suggested about the Hybrid other than it will use the same new 2.5L I4 as the 2009 Escape Hybrid. This is the 2nd generation Hybrid system and uses an Atkinson cycle. At this point that's all we know. Ford is really keeping the lid on the CD3 updates.

[krisztoforo]

2010 model, built December 2008 and on sale in January 2009.

 

Bummer, I was really hoping for a 2008 rollout.

Just curious where you got this information from, do you have some insider tips or this is just your best guess?

[akirby]

Bummer, I was really hoping for a 2008 rollout.

Just curious where you got this information from, do you have some insider tips or this is just your best guess?

 

Info from someone who has inside contacts. I think the original schedule was this fall but it got pushed back to next year due mostly to powertrain development and supply but then got pulled up to December 08. They're trying really hard to get it out the door but that's a lot of engineering work to put out a new 2.5L, one or two new V6 engines (upgraded 3.0L and 3.5L - not clear whether it gets one or both or one now and the other later), new Hybrid plus new 6 speed trannies on the I4.

[krisztoforo]

Info from someone who has inside contacts. I think the original schedule was this fall but it got pushed back to next year due mostly to powertrain development and supply but then got pulled up to December 08. They're trying really hard to get it out the door but that's a lot of engineering work to put out a new 2.5L, one or two new V6 engines (upgraded 3.0L and 3.5L - not clear whether it gets one or both or one now and the other later), new Hybrid plus new 6 speed trannies on the I4.

 

I see...I thought the hybrid powerplant would be the same as the one in the current Escape Hybrid. Is that not the case anymore?

[akirby]

I see...I thought the hybrid powerplant would be the same as the one in the current Escape Hybrid. Is that not the case anymore?

 

It's a gen II hybrid - much more flexible than the original escape hybrid. I think the 09 Escape gets it along with the same 2.5L I4. The Edge and MKX will get the Gen III version in another year or two but I don't know the differences.

[billyk24]

The 2009 Fusion Hybrid will offer the same engine (2.5L) and transmission (eCVT) as the Escape Hybrid. The Fusion will have a smaller (275V) hybrid battery pack compared to the Escape's (330V) hybrid battery pack. I do not know if the Fusion Hybrid will offer AWD as the Escape does.

 

With the lower and smaller frontal profile of the Fusion compared to the Escape, light weight, real world fuel efficiency should significantly improve. 42mpg plus should not be unrealistic.

[Mutnat]

The 2009 Fusion Hybrid will offer the same engine (2.5L) and transmission (eCVT) as the Escape Hybrid. The Fusion will have a smaller (275V) hybrid battery pack compared to the Escape's (330V) hybrid battery pack. I do not know if the Fusion Hybrid will offer AWD as the Escape does.

 

With the lower and smaller frontal profile of the Fusion compared to the Escape, light weight, real world fuel efficiency should significantly improve. 42mpg plus should not be unrealistic.

 

Okay, once again, this is the *2010* Fusion, not the 2009. The 2009 will have the exact same engine's the Fusion's had since day 1--the 2.3L I4 and the 3.0L V6. The 2010 Fusion will be built as of December 2008, and will arrive at dealerships in January of 2009.

[billyk24]

I do not agree that the Ford Fusion Hybrid will have the 2.3L engine. This link http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2008/04...ford-fusio.html states it will have the 2.5L (170 hp) engine.

This link also states all hybrids will have the 2.5L engine:--http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f195ff1

 

The Escape Hybrid will have the 2.5L engine for 2009. Ford Motor Company is can not afford to have two engines that are almost the same (2.3L and 2.5L) as it is financially stupid to do so.

 

You can not have a 2010 Fusion Hybrid while the 2009 Fusion non-hybrid is currenting being sold. To bring a Fusion Hybrid out in December of 2008 and call it a 2010 model would mean the 2009 Fusion would have a mere six month sale calender--June 2008 to/thru December 2008. That does not make sense.

 

One potential reason for the delayed Fusion Hybrid is due to the difference in battery size. The Fusion will have a 275V hybrid battery while the Escape Hybrid maintains the 330V hybrid battery size.

[akirby]

The Escape Hybrid will have the 2.5L engine for 2009. Ford Motor Company is can not afford to have two engines that are almost the same (2.3L and 2.5L) as it is financially stupid to do so.

 

You can not have a 2010 Fusion Hybrid while the 2009 Fusion non-hybrid is currenting being sold. To bring a Fusion Hybrid out in December of 2008 and call it a 2010 model would mean the 2009 Fusion would have a mere six month sale calender--June 2008 to/thru December 2008. That does not make sense.

 

Yes, the Escape hybrid gets the 2.5L engine for 2009. The 2009 Fusion has an early job 1 in June and it will only be around for 6 months. The 2010 Fusion will start production in December 2008 but won't go on sale until January 2009 - therefore it CAN be called a 2010 model. When the hybrid Fusion debuts (not clear if it will be ready in Jan. 2009) it will have the 2.5L engine.

 

They wanted to get the new model out as soon as possible, which turns out to be January 2009. Given that, the choice is to keep the 2008 model in production through December and designate the new model as a 2009 or bring out the 2009 model early with a short model year and make the new one a 2010. From a marketing perspective it makes more sense to do the 2009 early and the 2010 in January.

[Mutnat]

I do not agree that the Ford Fusion Hybrid will have the 2.3L engine. This link http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2008/04...ford-fusio.html states it will have the 2.5L (170 hp) engine.

This link also states all hybrids will have the 2.5L engine:--http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f195ff1

 

The Escape Hybrid will have the 2.5L engine for 2009. Ford Motor Company is can not afford to have two engines that are almost the same (2.3L and 2.5L) as it is financially stupid to do so.

 

You can not have a 2010 Fusion Hybrid while the 2009 Fusion non-hybrid is currenting being sold. To bring a Fusion Hybrid out in December of 2008 and call it a 2010 model would mean the 2009 Fusion would have a mere six month sale calender--June 2008 to/thru December 2008. That does not make sense.

 

One potential reason for the delayed Fusion Hybrid is due to the difference in battery size. The Fusion will have a 275V hybrid battery while the Escape Hybrid maintains the 330V hybrid battery size.

 

Okay I never said that the Fusion would have a 2.3L HYBRID engine. There is no hybrid Fusion for the 2009 model year.

 

For 2009, the Fusion continues with the same engines it had from 2006 to 2008: NON-HYBRID 2.3L I4 and 3.0L V6. ORIGINALLY Ford had planned to introduce the new engines along with other big changes to the 2009 model year, so there is still a lot of confusion out there around this. They have more recently decided to defer those big changes to the 2010 model year, which will hit dealers in January, 2009, as akirby also mentioned. The 2009 model year is a short one, on purpose. You can find as many articles as you like that say the hybrid is coming as a 2009 model year, but they are incorrect/outdated. It will be availble IN 2009, but not on the 2009 model year Fusion--it's the 2010 model year.

[Mercury Milan]

It will be availble IN 2009, but not on the 2009 model year Fusion--it's the 2010 model year.

That's NOT what a friend of mine who works for Ford told us. I guess we'll have to wait and see :)

[akirby]

That's NOT what a friend of mine who works for Ford told us. I guess we'll have to wait and see :)

 

So what did you friend say - that the hybrid would be available on the 2009 model or that it won't be available on the 2010 model?

[Mutnat]

That's NOT what a friend of mine who works for Ford told us. I guess we'll have to wait and see :)

 

Hmmm well akirby asks a good question. However, if you DID mean to imply (as I had assumed when I read your posting) that the 2009 model year could still get the Hybrid, I think it's highly unlikely. Check the 2009 order guide - http://www.sunrisefordfleet.com/pdf_files/...der%20Guide.pdf, there's no reference to a hybrid engine, even as a late availability.

[akirby]

Hmmm well akirby asks a good question. However, if you DID mean to imply (as I had assumed when I read your posting) that the 2009 model year could still get the Hybrid, I think it's highly unlikely. Check the 2009 order guide - http://www.sunrisefordfleet.com/pdf_files/...der%20Guide.pdf, there's no reference to a hybrid engine, even as a late availability.

 

I'm 99.9% sure there won't be a hybrid for the 09 model - it just wouldn't make sense with the 2010 model only 6 months away. If he's implying that the hybrid won't be available when the 2010 model goes on sale in January - that's possible but I haven't heard that yet.

[Mercury Milan]

When the hybrid Fusion debuts it will have the 2.5L engine.

Is this going to be enough power for that car? I know it will get good gas mileage but will it also be sluggish? And I thought that ALL new Fusion/Milans (2009/2010) will be using the 6 speed tranny?

[akirby]

Is this going to be enough power for that car? I know it will get good gas mileage but will it also be sluggish? And I thought that ALL new Fusion/Milans (2009/2010) will be using the 6 speed tranny?

 

Umm...the current I4 is a 2.3L and it does ok. The 2.5L puts out 170+ hp which is more than enough power. The hybrid version will be slightly lower but the electric engine will boost that. It won't be any more sluggish than other hybrids.

 

The 2009 model retains the same drivetrains as before - 5 speeds for the I4 and 6 speed for the V6 only. For 2010 all trannys will be 6 speeds (auto and manual).

[Mercury Milan]

It won't be any more sluggish than other hybrids.

I'm considering buying a 2010 hybrid. What car that they sell today can give me a rough idea (through a test drive) of how sluggish the hybrid in the 2010 Fusion/Milan will be - the escape hybrid?

[akirby]

I'm considering buying a 2010 hybrid. What car that they sell today can give me a rough idea (through a test drive) of how sluggish the hybrid in the 2010 Fusion/Milan will be - the escape hybrid?

 

Yes - the 2009 Escape hybrid uses the same basic hybrid drivetrain - only difference might be weight. You could also check the 08 model since it has even less power - if it's ok then the Fusion should be fine.

[Mercury Milan]

OK thanks akirby. I'll test drive a 2009 Escape hybrid and see if it's got enough power. I'm not planing on racing it or anything, I just don't want one of those cars that strains up hills or when passing, plus I have a V6 Duratec now and it kind of spoiled me :shift:

 

Have the mileage ratings for the 2009 Escape hybrid been released yet?

[akirby]

OK thanks akirby. I'll test drive a 2009 Escape hybrid and see if it's got enough power. I'm not planing on racing it or anything, I just don't want one of those cars that strains up hills or when passing, plus I have a V6 Duratec now and it kind of spoiled me :shift:

 

Have the mileage ratings for the 2009 Escape hybrid been released yet?

 

34/31 for the 2009 FWD Escape Hybrid. Now that I think about it - test drive an 09 Fusion I4 2.3L - the 2.5L hybrid shouldn't be any worse than that and will probably be better.

[Mercury Milan]

34/31 for the 2009 FWD Escape Hybrid.

Well I hope it's better than that. I get that now...

[akirby]

Well I hope it's better than that. I get that now...

 

Highway - maybe. But 34 in the city? No way.