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Well my 19 year old daughter, burned a nice cigarette hole on the passenger side front seat, the bottom (where your buns go). First, didn't know she smoked that's another issue!!! :banghead: I've found the oem cover through Ford, I figure I'll have to remove the seat to do this. Anyone have any experience replacing one? Thanks, Scott

I would just stick to 87 octane. I disagree that E85 is green though. Since it's made from corn, which is a very water intensive, fertilizer intensive crop. It takes just as many BTUs to produce one unit of Ethanol has it gives out, using corn. So it's really a scam that's been put over the American public, after the debacle when we were forced to used MTBE in gasoline for all those years, which ruin some area's water supply. Like you have noticed your gas mileage goes down quiet a bit, like what akirby stated. So are you really saving money by using E85? Hey if you like it than run it, or 87 octane, with the knock sensor you shouldn't have any pinging running 87 octane. I think it's a waste of money to run anything higher than 87 octane. I don't know about a flex fuel car, but for others running higher octane can actually hurt your engine. Higher octane fuel is just harder to ignite, that's all the difference. Makes a lot of profit for the oil companies though, also Ethanol has kept The Corn Growers Association very happy, and at least you could say it's not made in China! I suppose you could run enough 87 octane gas during the work week, and then put enough E85 in if you want to zip around on the weekend. At least you have that choice with a flex fuel car, that others of us don't have. Take Care! Scott

Oh, akirby, I see what your saying. That's seems logical that would be the case with the second key, some mornings I'm just a little more dense than others. Also I did get the separate key fob I bought on eBay to work. Does pay to read the instructions and do them step by step exactly the way they it says. I guess some days I'm just dense period. It's a good thing I'm not operating any heavy machinery today!!!! One thing I do know for sure is, the more I drive my Fusion, the more I really like it!!! Drove Toyota's for 20 years, (great cars, news media is over dramatizing the problems their having in my opinion). Then drove a Ford Escape for 8 years, I still miss driving it, but my daughter has it, that has been a great vehicle too. I'm really proud of Ford and well frankly all the US auto manufacturers (I know my car was built in Mexico) for really stepping up to the plate and building some great vehicles we can all be proud of again!!! Take Care! Scott

Well fortunately for me, I'm not that paranoid about someone looking for my car. This was someone's company car, that was then sold at a dealer auction. One thing I've noticed with dealer auctions, is one, most (no all) the time you only get one key if you have a key fob, two, the owner's manuals are gone. Since you can take an integrated key and put a new uncut key in it, it can then be resold on eBay or some other place, same with owners manuals. If I was really paranoid, then I would never let anyone ever have even one of my keys (valet, window tinting place, tire shop, non Ford shop) because even though Ford says you can't duplicate and get a key to work with just one key....That isn't true (but would require some specialized tools and specialized knowledge), at least for 2007 Fusion, I have no way of knowing for any other years. I do know that the locksmith was not able to do it for a 2010 hybrid Fusion. So either the hybrid is different, or something changed somewhere in the model years to make it different. Let's face though, if someone really wants your car, and they are either smart enough, or persistent enough they probably will get it. I'm not following what your were saying about the cloned key? For one thing this is not a cloned key. The locksmith said had he cloned the key, the car would only recognize that there is one key, even if you had two, meaning there would only be one code for two different keys. This key has it's own unique code just like the first key does, otherwise I would have never been able to program a third key to work. So if I had the dealer reprogram all my keys, it would have the exact same characteristics has the other two keys....... Like I said, I didn't follow what you meant in that last sentence, so maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree on that one.

I got a regular uncut Ford (transponder) key today, had it cut for $3.50, then had no problem programing it using my two other keys for my car. So the 2nd key I had a locksmith do was not a clone to the first key, otherwise I would have never been able to program a 3rd key. So now I'm safe if I should lose one key, I don't have to go to the dealership, I can just program a new key myself. Only down side is I bought a separate key fob remote that Nella 1 said they were able to get to work on their 2007 Fusion. Went though the normal procedures but it wouldn't work, bummer.....and the eBay person I bought it from doesn't take returns. Oh well out $10.00 bucks. Guess the wise choice I should have made was to buy an integrated key instead. Even if I do buy an integrated key off of eBay, It will still be cheaper than my local Ford house for one integrated key, and I'll have 4 keys to boot.

Yeah, I saw that key looks really cool, the integrated key is sort of big in a pocket. At some point I'd like to have the flip out key, I just bought an uncut, transponder key that I'll have cut so I'll have 3 keys. Bought the key on eBay, so it will be a few days or more before I really know that this 3rd key will work.At the present time just trying to keep my spending down, my daughter is graduating from high school this month so need to have some $ on hand for something for her for graduation! Keys used to be so simple, now it's kind of pricey just to get one, not complaining though!

He told me had they been able to do a key for the $64.95 price that would have been a cloned key. I'm assuming that would have been a blank Ford transponder key. Haven't clue as to why they had to do it this way, he just said their books showed that this was the way to do it with it to be able to show it has a second key with it's own code. I also don't think this device transmitted or was connected to any outside source, that everything it retrieved was just from my cars computer.

OK, I just got back from the locksmith a second time, I went and asked him about this. He said this is not a cloned key, I used that wording in my last post. That when they hooked up their devise to my cars computer, (first it ran pulling information from the computer for about 15 minutes) then he was able to program the new key using this devise and it shows has a separate key. He said the combination of using the transponder that they put in the key is what their book showed to do. So this key has it's unique code, that is different from the 1st key I have. So from this point on I can program myself,a third or 4th key (up to 4 with the integrated key, 8 total) and not have to go to Ford, because this is not a cloned key. I know Ford is saying it's different, and can't be possible but I have no reason to doubt this locksmith, this was a big place, and they have a lot of resources. Also he told me he tried to do his bosses Fusion Hybrid, and the codes were different and he was unable to do it on that vehicle. Whether that was because it was a hybrid or something has changed in the 2009, or 2010 model year I don't know. I know the hybrid is 2010, but it came out in March 2009, so it's possible these year models may be different, or just could be the hybrid just FYI. Has a wise man once told me, "technology over promises and under performs"!

OK, I just got back from the locksmith...The answer is..Drum roll please.... YES.............. Yes you can duplicate a key with only one key...... Here's what happened. Originally they thought they could use a Ford key with transponder chip, but they couldn't. They had to use a blank Ford H84 key without transponder (has a place inside the key to put a chip in). Then put in a separate transponder chip, (which is then sealed in the key), JMA Key TP20. Here is exactly how my receipt list it. SDD programing $ 45.00 Key Blank, Ford H84 W/O Transponder $14.95 Transponder Chip, JMA Key TP20 $ 13.00 So with tax it was 78.97, originally quoted $64.95 over the phone when they thought they could use the blank Ford key with built in transponder chip. If I recall right what the locksmith said, if they had used a Ford key, or I had brought them an integrated key (for my 2nd key) then the computer in the car would have thought there was only one key, even though I had two, don't hold me on that thought, at that moment I was calculating the cost and whether it was more cost effective to have them do it ,or go to Ford. Being a man, and only being able to do one task at a time (unlike women who can do 1/2 a dozen things at once) I might not have got that completely right. So what they did is clone, or guess you could say copy the key code, or it was able to read the keys code off the computer in the car. not sure if I worded that right (edited....and I didn't word this right.....see next post from me). If I thought that someone had another key to my car, and might like to take the car back (I'm not worried about that) I would have to go to Ford and had them reprogram the codes and make a new (2nd) key, so that it wouldn't be a problem. If I want the keys code reprogrammed I have to go to Ford. So if you think for some reason your keys code has been compromised, It appears for the most part that I have knowledge of, only Ford can do that. So my thought is this. I can buy a new uncut integrated key for $46.24 including shipping, the locksmith says he can cut that key for $12.50 (hey probably get it cut cheaper, but they were up front with me on everything and showed me their books on what they could and couldn't do with this key). I couldn't get the two Ford dealerships that I asked to cut me any slack on a new integrated key $155.00 plus tax = $167.78 So adding all the cost of the way I'm thinking Key from locksmith $78.97 Uncut new integrated key $46.24 Cutting integrated key $13.53 including tax Programing it myself and not taking it to Ford for less money, $priceless$ Total amount $138.74 That's a savings of $29.04 and I have 3 keys, 2 integrated key fobs instead of just 2 integrated key fobs. I made sure I asked, would I be able to program a new integrated key, they said yes, absolutely, because the cars computer sees that there are two separate keys, just like if I had Ford cut a transponder key, and not changed the programing codes. And seeing from one response that a Ford Focus separate key FOB worked for someone else I could go that route and save even more, I have found a separate key fob for 18.98, plus 4.99 shipping. It's made for the 2006 Ford Fusion, (they did use one in 2006) supposed to be good for 2007, and 2008 Fusion's also, and it's the same key fob used for the Focus which Nella 1 said works on their 2007 Fusion (by the way thanks for the info Nella 1). The total cost of that would be $102.94, a savings of $64.84 from what Ford wanted with the integrated key. So there's the answer....Yes it can be done. I have used both keys since I got back in every possible way to make sure they both worked, they do...... The big thing for me at this point is I'm glad I have two working keys, I travel a lot (every week, flying) and I would hate to have only one key, and lose it and have to have my car towed to Ford for a new key, because I only had one key! In hind sight, maybe I could have had Ford just cut and program a transponder key for possibility near the same price has the locksmith did it for, I will have to ask Ford what the cost of that is? Then bought a new uncut integrated key, have it cut and programed it myself, that might be an option of near the same price. I have to go by Ford today and get some Premium ATF fluid, to do a drain and refill, unless of course I get Toyota T-IV ATF instead, (Oops............ that's a whole other can of worms, living life on the edge, aren't I)? Actually my Ford house has XT-8-QAW "Premium ATF" for $5.79 a quart, so don't worry sticking with Ford, didn't want to get anyone's heart beat up! Hope this helps! Scott

I went to the locksmith they were closed today, Saturday May 1st. I have Monday off, so I'm going to go by there on Monday and see if they can really duplicate a 2nd working key (chipped, but no key fob), and then I guess we will have the answer. If they can do that, I will also ask them if they are able to cut the integrated key fob that Ford uses? It looks like I can find a uncut integrated key for about $40.00. So if I can do that I should be able to have 2 keys for about.... $110.00, the $65.00 for the chipped key only and then the integrated key fob, which I would be able to program myself, if I have two working keys. I will let everyone know what happens Monday. My original question was, would a separate key fob work on the Ford Fusion? The question got kind of side tracked but since no one said, "yeah, I did that", I guess I got my answer anyway. Interesting thread, didn't know it would take that turn, now I'm really curious if this locksmith can do this, and how are they able to do it, if they can? Thanks! Scott

I haven't, are they legal in all states, just asking I don't know? Although I've seen them, seems like a good idea, this company has them for our Fusions and it's only $35.00. says it flashes 3 times and then goes solid red, which I think is a good idea. I really wouldn't want to be behind someone at a long light with that thing flashing, might make me go mad and ram the back of their car just to stop it (ha, ha). Which would kind of defeat the whole purpose of them. http://cd3fusion.com/PBL.htm Scott

That's what I thought to, but this locksmith says they can cut and program a second key, even if I have only one key.

Well, I just gave my Escape to my daughter and bought a 2007 Fusion SE, (Love it). I only have one key. The dealership near me wants about $155.00 to cut and program a new integrated key, ouch! A local locksmith can cut and program a regular chip key for $65.00, but they don't have the integrated key. So can I have them cut a key and use the old style key fob that I believed they used on the 06 model for a period of time, or is the integrated key the only way to go? I suppose I could buy an integrated (uncut) key online and have a locksmith cut an program it, but having a separate fob from the key is no big deal to me, I just don't feel comfortable with only one key. Thanks Scott