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  1. As far as reading from the modules the Lite versions of FORScan can read everything the full version can.  The difference is the Windows version can write to modules to change settings and to put the modules into self test / diagnostic test modes.  The dealer could have cleared all the fault codes from the modules so there is no guarantee they are still stored in the modules.

     


  2. What software did you use with your OBDII module?  I would suggest FORScan.org

     

    When I search "P1AOC" I see:

    • Faulty Hybrid Powertrain Control Module
    • Hybrid Powertrain Control Module harness is open or shorted
    • Hybrid Powertrain Control Module circuit poor electrical connection

    Read more: https://www.autocodes.com/p1a0c_ford.html

     

    Nothing about the vapor canister except in the TSB but it mentions some other codes that should show up

     


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    7 hours ago, Mark J said:

    Yes I did the forscan reset.  It's been working correctly now.  There's no need to have the dealer do the tsb,  right?  Thanks for reply.

     

    There might be some risk if you used ForScan to reset the battery age all the way to zero.  Obviously a battery does degrade over time.  Its just a matter of how much.  The original firmware was too conservative and protected the battery too much.  But when you use ForScan to set the battery age to zero you are saying you have brand new battery with all the capacity that comes with a new battery.  The battery aging feature of the firmware was there to protect the battery as it gets weaker with age.

     

    So, after resetting the age with FroScan to zero, there  is a risk you could over stress the old battery and cause it to fail completely where your car would not move or run.  Although I have not heard of this happening to anyone.  We just don't know how big this risk really is.  I chose to reset my battery to 6 years old with Forscan.  That still made  a big difference in the way the car drives but I don't know how much of a difference it is from 0 years.

     

    In theory, now that the batteries are 10+ years old, Ford could actually measure how much the batteries have degraded and put the proper factor into the new TSB firmware.  On the other hand, how much effort are they going to put into firmware of 10+ year old vehicles?


  4. The ForScan change is very simple.  All it does is tell the computer the battery is a young  battery.  The original module firmware improperly assumed the battery would be severely degraded after 9+ years.  This turned out to be untrue.  The original firmware limits how much power can be drawn from the old  batteries.

     

    The TSB fixes the firmware so it does not assume the battery is so weak when it is 9+ years old.  One should be able to reset the car module battery age back to the true battery age  using ForScan either before or after the TSB.

     

     


  5. 9 hours ago, SunnyB said:

    What is the number of the firmware version we should have if the TSB 20-2142 was properly done? 

    That is a good question.  Below is what Forscan shows  for my 2010 that has NOT had the TSB applied.

     

    Not sure why it's showing no known upgrades for the Powertrain Control Module.

    Hopefully someone who has had the upgrade will post theirs.

     

     

    Firmware.PNG


  6. Also some owners have stated a rebalance works so maybe it is software or maybe it is something else.

     

    It is a combination of battery age and battery "health" The car's computer monitors the battery health by looking at the variation in voltage in each section of the battery. When the voltage in different sections of the battery starts to become unequal, the computer says the battery is degrading and will limit how much power is drawn from the battery. A re-balance may rejuvenate the battery health but it can't do anything about the battery age.


  7. From 2010 Fusion Hybrid Warranty Guide (dated June 2009). Other states may have changed their laws since then.

     

    "Vehicles Eligible for Standard California Emission Warranty Coverage Standard California emission warranty coverage applies if your vehicle meets the following two requirements: • Your vehicle is registered in Pennsylvania, Oregon and Washington, and • Your vehicle is certified for sale in California as indicated on the vehicle emission control information label. (NOTE: Oregon has adopted the California AT PZEV battery warranty (10 yrs/150,000 miles) in addition to the standard California emissions warranty coverage that applies to all emissions components. Otherwise, vehicles in Pennsylvania, Oregon, and Washington do not receive the California AT PZEV extended emission warranty coverage.)"


  8. It does not seem to make any sense that at nine years there should be such a drastic change in hybrid performance.

     

    Except, maybe it is because the battery comes with a 10 year warranty? By limiting the power the battery can supply they are limiting the stress on these old batteries. By limiting the stress they make sure the batteries will make it to the end of their 10 year warranty.

     

    As it stands, they can just say this is normal battery aging. But if they allow the old battery to be over stressed and it completely fails and will not start the ICE, they have to replace an expensive battery under warranty. (assuming you also have under 100k miles)


  9. I recall that someone on this forum posted that the "rebalancing" procedure is different for the 2010 FFH with a Ni battery than with the newer FFH with the Li battery. When I pointed this our to my Ford dealer who had performed a rebalancing without success, the Tech told me that Ford Motor had instructed the dealer to use the same procedure on the 2010 as for the later models.

     

    Does anyone have a reference to a Ford Tech bulletin or other source that indicates the need to rebalance differently for the 2010? I'd like to pass it on to the dealer.

     

    Probably thinking of this

     

    Update: The dealer contacted ford Engineering to make sure they were servicing the battery correctly, and they had me come back in because apparently the mechanics didn't realize they needed to configure the battery re-balancing system specifically for my 2010 model. Anyway, they re-balanced it again, and it is now 90% back to normal.

     

     

    here http://fordfusionhybridforum.com/topic/12638-wont-run-in-ev-mode-ice-kicks-in-immediately/page-1?do=findComment&comment=108946


  10. The water cooling is interesting. I suspect it may have become a necessity for passenger comfort since the batteries are packaged underneath the rear seat.

    Yes, it is interesting. I don't think the air cooling always worked the best, but it is simple. The batteries perform best when the are kept around 75 degrees. In many situations this was not possible with air cooling. Remember the original Ford hybrid, the Escape, used the air-conditioner to cool the batteries.


  11. Most of the lighting control (such as dark car) is controlled by the GEM / SJB (also called BCM on some Fords). The Fusion Hybrid configuration of this module should be similar to other Fords of similar model year.

     

    The IPC module controls the instrument panel I have not seen anyone turn on a digital speedometer. This IPC module is only used in the 2010-2012 Fusion Hybrid, Lincoln MKZ Hybrid and Mercury Milan Hybrid so the IPC configuration will be different from all other Ford cars. Some people just start changing some of the values and see what happens. Kind of trial and error.


  12. What is the procedure to initiate a re-balancing by the car itself?

     

    I've tried racing the engine in park for about 5 min, which appears to deliver a full charge to the HV battery, but it doesn't improve driving. FFH still will not run in EV mode.

     

    You can't re-balance by racing the engine.

     

    The battery charge percentage shown on your dash isn't the real battery charge, it is the usable battery charge range. So when your dash displays 0% battery it is really at something like 40% actual battery charge. And when your dash displays 100% it is really like 70% actual battery charge.

     

    When you rev your engine, the car's computer will not allow the actual battery charge to go over 70%. When your car is doing a real re-balance, the car's computer will allow the charge to go over the 70% to aid the re-balancing process.

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