My new 2013 Ford Fusion Titanium Hybrid

[alpha754293]

Do you have an idea in which units the instant fuel is being displayed? I tried the ET mode for the first time today and I was just trying to see if I can improve on my ICE efficiency. But the numbers didn't make sense

 

No idea. I don't think that there is one. It doesn't look like it. I'll have to check it out after my 9:30 meeting this morning.

 

 

Is this ET mode in the manual? I keep hearing references to it, but no idea what its purpose is.

 

Uh....you should still be able to do it on any of the cars that have that kind of IP cluster (in theory). So like Fusion, C-Max, and possibly Focus and Fiesta as well. I haven't checked them all out yet (I MIGHT get a chance this Friday morning to do so - but that's a bit of a TBD/unknown at this time).

 

It gives you more detailed "diagnostic" information as reported by the cluster (or the computer that drives the cluster); but like I said, there might be a discrepancy (e.g. the speedo that I mentioned above that I noticed yesterday) between that and the analog gauges. *shrug* dunno...

[hybridbear]

 

No idea. I don't think that there is one. It doesn't look like it. I'll have to check it out after my 9:30 meeting this morning.

 

 

 

Uh....you should still be able to do it on any of the cars that have that kind of IP cluster (in theory). So like Fusion, C-Max, and possibly Focus and Fiesta as well. I haven't checked them all out yet (I MIGHT get a chance this Friday morning to do so - but that's a bit of a TBD/unknown at this time).

 

It gives you more detailed "diagnostic" information as reported by the cluster (or the computer that drives the cluster); but like I said, there might be a discrepancy (e.g. the speedo that I mentioned above that I noticed yesterday) between that and the analog gauges. *shrug* dunno...

We should start a thread about Engineering Test Mode. There has been discussion on it before but we could probably figure most of it out if we talked about it in one place. Does anyone know if it has been discussed on BOF?

[acdii]

All cars that have a dash like our have an ET mode. The 10 FFH, the 12 F150, the Flex, the MKS, and the current fusions have it. There is a different sequence someone posted in another thread on how to get into it on the 2010, but the rest just hold the OK button when starting the car to get into ET.

 

Years ago before ODBII you could see the trouble codes on the Fords by jumping two pins on the diagnostic harness under the hood and watch the CEL light when you turn the ignition on. The light would blink a certain sequence and you count the flashes to determine the codes.

[alpha754293]

All cars that have a dash like our have an ET mode. The 10 FFH, the 12 F150, the Flex, the MKS, and the current fusions have it. There is a different sequence someone posted in another thread on how to get into it on the 2010, but the rest just hold the OK button when starting the car to get into ET.

 

Years ago before ODBII you could see the trouble codes on the Fords by jumping two pins on the diagnostic harness under the hood and watch the CEL light when you turn the ignition on. The light would blink a certain sequence and you count the flashes to determine the codes.

 

I MARVEL at the people that actually manage to figure this stuff out. loll....

[acdii]

You should see what I can do with a Firewall! LOL

[alpha754293]

You should see what I can do with a Firewall! LOL

 

The scariest people I think are people that spend their (free) time figuring this stuff out. And chemists/chemical engineers.

[acdii]

LOL, Firewalls are my job :) I'm an internet Security, Routing and Switching Expert. I also do Wireless and Voip, and this is one of many different jobs I have done over the past few decades. I used to be a Strippet Turrent punch press programmer, or an STPPP. Then maintenance for the factory, and built RF induction furnaces, and repaired aircraft navigation strobes, and school bus wigwags, then drove a truck for a few years, then worked as an ASE mechanic for a while, built houses for a few years, and finally found the right kind of work. Messing with peoples networks.

 

Oh you WANTED to see that web page, sorry. Ooops sorry, didnt mean to reload your switch and reboot all your phones. (yes I did) :)

[aaronj1159]

 

The scariest people I think are people that spend their (free) time figuring this stuff out. And chemists/chemical engineers.

Hmm, what's your take on materials engineers then? I had some unnerving classmates in college. haha.

[alpha754293]

Hmm, what's your take on materials engineers then? I had some unnerving classmates in college. haha.

 

They can't hack/steal your identity for fun and they can't decompose your body to the point where the cops are like "what is or WAS that?" :D - so they're ok. Unless they're working in biohazardous materials research (a la chemical/biological warfare) - but I think that at that point, it's actually called chem/bio defense or "defense".

[BradS7535]

 

Please DO be very careful though.

 

interestingly enough, it looks like that the cluster is actually reporting numbers that are lower - like my speedo was registering 111 km/h (69 mph) which is what the cruise is set at but the engineering test mode was only registering 109 km/h (68 mph). And my cluster fuel economy numbers is about 1 mpg less than what fuelly is calculating (although with fuelly, it really depends on how much fuel you put in - or how many clicks you let go by before you stop filling completely.)

 

I noticed the same thing. Had cruise set at 65MPH and ET was showing something around 63.5MPH or so.

 

Someone had mentioned something about a screen in ET that showed % of fuel tank. I scrolled through all the screens but didn't see anything like that. Did see a screen that had MTE that is shown on the dash, and then another column that seemed like ACTUAL miles to empty, it was about 20 miles more than the other column that matched up with what my dash was showing.

 

Think it would be a good idea to put a thread together where we try to decypher all the ET screens.

[alpha754293]

LOL, Firewalls are my job :) I'm an internet Security, Routing and Switching Expert. I also do Wireless and Voip, and this is one of many different jobs I have done over the past few decades. I used to be a Strippet Turrent punch press programmer, or an STPPP. Then maintenance for the factory, and built RF induction furnaces, and repaired aircraft navigation strobes, and school bus wigwags, then drove a truck for a few years, then worked as an ASE mechanic for a while, built houses for a few years, and finally found the right kind of work. Messing with peoples networks.

 

Oh you WANTED to see that web page, sorry. Ooops sorry, didnt mean to reload your switch and reboot all your phones. (yes I did) :)

 

Yea, I've only been outta school for like 3.5 years. My last job (excluding a very brief stint for NVH CAE) was a body and chassis computer aided engineering (CAE) analyst - which is mostly computational structural mechanics (CSM) (a.k.a. finite element analysis (FEA)) for a little less than 2 years at a Tier 1 automotive supplier. And then before that, I was actually a CATIA/CAD (computer aided three dimensional interactive applications/computer aided design) designer although my official title was research and development design engineer (which progressively devolved to CAD monkey.) But that's where I designed the gas pedal for the Fusion. Then a tad-under-3-month stint at a cell phone repair factory. And my last co-op was in undergrad research in chem/bio defense. And my first co-op (in university) was a product engineer at a Tier 2 supplier (that went under un January of 2008).

 

And now I want to work on grooming myself to become a Director at Ford (with the help of some of my colleagues). And hopefully a technical director at that.

[alpha754293]

 

I noticed the same thing. Had cruise set at 65MPH and ET was showing something around 63.5MPH or so.

 

Someone had mentioned something about a screen in ET that showed % of fuel tank. I scrolled through all the screens but didn't see anything like that. Did see a screen that had MTE that is shown on the dash, and then another column that seemed like ACTUAL miles to empty, it was about 20 miles more than the other column that matched up with what my dash was showing.

 

Think it would be a good idea to put a thread together where we try to decypher all the ET screens.

 

Actually, if you google a lot of the stuff, some (most) of it has already been deciphered.

 

If you want the % of fuel tank, look for the ET screen that says FLPM (fuel level as percent of maximum).

 

Inst. fuel is instrument fuel (which I think is what's normally displayed on the instrument panel cluster).

 

And if you want MTE (mile to empty), you're looking for DTE (distance to empty) which again, they give it in both km and miles and then what's normally shown on the IP cluster and then what the "real" limits are.

[Razdan]

We should start a thread about Engineering Test Mode. There has been discussion on it before but we could probably figure most of it out if we talked about it in one place. Does anyone know if it has been discussed on BOF?

 

Great idea!

[hybridbear]

Yea, I've only been outta school for like 3.5 years.

What did you study in college? It sounds like we're around the same age, I graduated college in 2010. I almost studied Electrical Engineering but then decided on business school and Risk Management/Finance instead

 

Think it would be a good idea to put a thread together where we try to decypher all the ET screens.

When I have a moment I will take pics of each screen and post them to a new thread in the General Powertrain Discussion section so that we can all discuss. I'll try to comment on as many as I can as I have figured a lot out and then we can collaboratively figure out the rest hopefully

[alpha754293]

What did you study in college? It sounds like we're around the same age, I graduated college in 2010. I almost studied Electrical Engineering but then decided on business school and Risk Management/Finance instead

 

When I have a moment I will take pics of each screen and post them to a new thread in the General Powertrain Discussion section so that we can all discuss. I'll try to comment on as many as I can as I have figured a lot out and then we can collaboratively figure out the rest hopefully

 

Mechanical engineering. I graduated in December of 2009. But I also did what's roughly equivalent to an associate's degree here in the US - a diploma in mechanical engineering technology - automotive products design (3 year program) before transferring in.

 

And I'm 4 credits into a master's in mechanical engineering in automotive systems that I've suspended since 2009.

 

*edit*

4 courses

Edited May 16, 2013 by alpha754293

[acdii]

Risk Management

This is something I have to do at times when being a project manager for some of our installs. What a pain that can be trying to come up with the risks involved on some of these jobs. It might be Cisco, but its all about the same thing, What can we break that we dont know about and how pissed will the customer be when we do.

[hybridbear]

Mechanical engineering. I graduated in December of 2009. But I also did what's roughly equivalent to an associate's degree here in the US - a diploma in mechanical engineering technology - automotive products design (3 year program) before transferring in.

 

And I'm 4 credits into a master's in mechanical engineering in automotive systems that I've suspended since 2009.

Very cool!! I wish I could do engineering too. Oh well...there's only so much time in life to learn and find work you enjoy. And I do enjoy my work

[acdii]

Choo Choo

 

Also a Network Engineer, forgot to mention that. :)

[alpha754293]

This is something I have to do at times when being a project manager for some of our installs. What a pain that can be trying to come up with the risks involved on some of these jobs. It might be Cisco, but its all about the same thing, What can we break that we dont know about and how pissed will the customer be when we do.

 

I remember when I was co-oping as a product engineer, we had to do failure modes and effects analysis (FMEA) all the time. And it was one of those "no idea is too dumb" (like...seriously) because well...to put it bluntly - there are dumb people, so you have to protect for what they might to do your stuff. And some of the stuff is just like absolutely ridiculous, but...again, we had to come up with a contingency plan for it.

 

It was as interesting as it was annoying.

 

Very cool!! I wish I could do engineering too. Oh well...there's only so much time in life to learn and find work you enjoy. And I do enjoy my work

 

I think that there's really nothing stopping you except yourself. I'm a firm believer in that. That said, I also do realize that some people just can't do calculus. Their brains aren't built/wired for it. And that's fine. Luckily, there are other people who can. The reality is that humanity as a whole - we all share in each other's strengths and weaknesses and hope to GAWD that SOMEONE can fill a void in skills, knowledge, or whatever.

 

 

Choo Choo

 

Also a Network Engineer, forgot to mention that. :)

 

I always wonder where's the engineering part of network engineering?

 

I REALLY dislike it when jobs/positions/titles/people call themselves engineers when they're NOT engineers. I'm also of the opinion that unless you actually HAVE an engineering degree or that if you're not a registered, licensed, practicing engineer, that you shouldn't be allowed to call yourself an engineer.

 

The problem with letting people call themselves engineer (or be titled an engineer) when there's little to no actual engineering work is that if something goes wrong, it gives the engineering profession and the ACTUAL engineering community a bad name.

 

And trust me, people are VERY good at the whole "blame the engineer" game already. So we REALLY don't need to be helping it along.

 

(My first engineering job outta college - our manufacturing/process guys called themselves "manufacturing engineers" and we were having a problem and I was like "you should be able to solve it now using moldflow - and they were like..."no no...you can't." And I was like "oh...I'm pretty sure you can. If you can use fluid-structure interaction to simulate blood vessels, I'm pretty sure that this is CAKEWALK compared to that." "oh no no no....you can't" so I ended up calling the company up and doing the live demo that showed them they can. Well as it turns out, they were community college graduates (manufacturing engineering TECHNOLOGY grads) - they're not degreed engineers. No WONDER why they had NO FREAKIN' clue what I was talking about when I was telling them that you can couple the Navier-Stokes equations with FEA and I just like got the blank stare from them. I mean...generally, people don't know what I'm talking about anyways, but if you're an engineer, you might not know all of the finer, nitty gritty details, but you should be aware of it. It's third year fluids. And after showing that I could simulate the problem, they were then like "well...you can't simulate the reality and all of the production variations" and I told him "you give me your statistical data of your variations, and I'LL GIVE YOU the envelope of your probability distribution of where your problem is going to end up; given a certain tolerance and confidence interval." yeah....*sonic boom - as it's flying soooo fast, so far wayyyy over his head* and he just kinda rolled his eyes at me cuz he - once again - had absolutely NO idea what I was talking about. That and he also didn't have a freakin' clue what his process is capable (or incapable) of holding in terms of production variation/manufacturing process tolerance. Yeah...I REALLY didn't like that they called themselves "manufacturing engineers" when they really weren't. And NEITHER of my bosses were degreed engineers at the time either.)

[acdii]

 

 

 

 

I always wonder where's the engineering part of network engineering?

 

Network design and implementation is a more appropriate description of what it is. In a sense though engineering a network design still is a proper description. What are the business requirements, which devices will be required to meet that design, what are the proper networking layouts to meet this design, and which devices will be required for future expansion needs. A customer comes in and needs a phone system and data network along with firewall/IPS/Content Security, and they have 6 locations spread out across the globe. My job is to put all these locations into one big happy network and make them secure. That's where the engineering part come in.

 

 

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In telecommunications, network engineering may refer to:

 

• The field concerned with the design and management of computer networks
• The field concerned with developing telecommunications network topologies

 

I fit these

[alpha754293]

Network design and implementation is a more appropriate description of what it is. In a sense though engineering a network design still is a proper description. What are the business requirements, which devices will be required to meet that design, what are the proper networking layouts to meet this design, and which devices will be required for future expansion needs. A customer comes in and needs a phone system and data network along with firewall/IPS/Content Security, and they have 6 locations spread out across the globe. My job is to put all these locations into one big happy network and make them secure. That's where the engineering part come in.

 

I fit these

 

Interestingly enough, if you try to wiki "network engineer", it redirects to "network administrator". ;)

[hybridbear]

I remember when I was co-oping as a product engineer, we had to do failure modes and effects analysis (FMEA) all the time. And it was one of those "no idea is too dumb" (like...seriously) because well...to put it bluntly - there are dumb people, so you have to protect for what they might to do your stuff. And some of the stuff is just like absolutely ridiculous, but...again, we had to come up with a contingency plan for it.

 

It was as interesting as it was annoying.

 

 

I think that there's really nothing stopping you except yourself. I'm a firm believer in that. That said, I also do realize that some people just can't do calculus. Their brains aren't built/wired for it. And that's fine. Luckily, there are other people who can. The reality is that humanity as a whole - we all share in each other's strengths and weaknesses and hope to GAWD that SOMEONE can fill a void in skills, knowledge, or whatever.

I find the challenge of trying to identify risks and plan for them to be fascinating. It can be annoying because there seems to be no limit to the stupidity of ppl nowadays but it's also enjoyable for me.

 

I enjoyed calculus in college, and averaged over 95% on all the tests for the semester. I only took one semester because that is all that was required and all that I had time for. Statistics are what I really enjoyed. I took college level stats in high school and then took a market research course as an elective in college that focused on the use of statistics in marketing.

 

What holds me back is time and money. I love learning and would love to spend my life studying and learning, but unfortunately that won't pay the bills and I don't have enough time to truly devote myself to studying a topic in addition to working.

 

One of the things I think I would enjoy most about working in a similar field to what you do is that there you are always learning. I am always learning in my job too, but it isn't the same as engineering.

[aaronj1159]

Heh. I'm a degree holding engineer but I didn't enjoy calculus much. I did well in it, but I didn't like doing it. Now applying that to my materials engineering classes was more fun, but there wasn't as much of it as you'd find in some of the other disciplines. And that's why I chose that path. Less math, more science.

[Nick P]

Being in the field of Quality for about 35 years and having a degree in Chemistry, I've been dealing with statistics for a long time. I learned long ago to have a healthy respect for statistics and I've always treated it like I would electricity. Used properly they can work miracles and allow you to do things that are otherwise impossible. But used poorly they can kill you very quickly. To keep that perspective I've always refered to one example that for me says it all. And that is: "The average person has one breast and one testicle." It always reminds me to not let the numbers clound my actual thinking.

[alpha754293]

I find the challenge of trying to identify risks and plan for them to be fascinating. It can be annoying because there seems to be no limit to the stupidity of ppl nowadays but it's also enjoyable for me.

 

I enjoyed calculus in college, and averaged over 95% on all the tests for the semester. I only took one semester because that is all that was required and all that I had time for. Statistics are what I really enjoyed. I took college level stats in high school and then took a market research course as an elective in college that focused on the use of statistics in marketing.

 

What holds me back is time and money. I love learning and would love to spend my life studying and learning, but unfortunately that won't pay the bills and I don't have enough time to truly devote myself to studying a topic in addition to working.

 

One of the things I think I would enjoy most about working in a similar field to what you do is that there you are always learning. I am always learning in my job too, but it isn't the same as engineering.

 

Uh....most of the stuff that I'm learning about now is more like legal/regulatory stuff. So...it's a LOT of reading. Very little math to it and very little science to it as well. (The math can be done by a 2nd, maybe 3rd grader. The science requirement is only upto 1st year physics/2nd year solids. And that's about it. If you can draw a free-body diagram, that's about as advanced as it gets in my current position.

 

Admittedly, not particularly exciting, but I work with some really great people in a really great part of the overall Ford corporate. We're a tiny group right now and as I've mentioned before, we're uniquely positioned that as a Global Core guy, I don't work on specific vehicle programs (or the other way of looking at it is that I work on all of them then some). And I ACTUALLY get to say things like "I can't. Conference call with Asia tonight." lol...and it won't just be a lame excuse to get outta stuff. lol...("it's legit" so to speak).

 

And also keeping in mind that I've only been 3.5 years outta school, starting off as a lowly designer, then being an analyst, and now I'm three salary grades below leadership level, which I can bridge with a single promotion should I become a tech expert or supervisor. Not to brag - but it's an unexpected REALLY fast climb. ANDDD both the tech expert that I work with and my supervisor (both of whom have been here for like 15-20 years each) have already been like "when you get promoted well above either of us..." and I'm like thinking to myself "whoa. guys. I've only BEEN here 6 weeks. Let's NOT start plotting my taking over just yet, k?" lol...it's comforting (from the perspective of people recognizing your talent) but scary (because it's a whole world of possibilities out there, and a GIANT unknown). I wouldn't mind being a Technical Director though...

 

And it's a whole different kind of learning compared to when I was in undergrad research (which was probably the last time that I was really pushed HARD to learn) - cuz that's when I had to pick up on the chem/bio defense stuff and that's some REALLY heavy duty material there.

 

I like that side of things, but when I took this job, I'm not really thinking about now, but rather more like 5 years from now, when I have a kid - what then.

 

Heh. I'm a degree holding engineer but I didn't enjoy calculus much. I did well in it, but I didn't like doing it. Now applying that to my materials engineering classes was more fun, but there wasn't as much of it as you'd find in some of the other disciplines. And that's why I chose that path. Less math, more science.

 

Calculus is great! I LOVE calculus. I don't really like multivariate or partial differential equations (which is pretty much like...oh....everything) BUT...I'll suffer through them.

 

And it's fun when you combine the science and the math together like computational fluids. Very tough problems. But also very rewarding, even if the gains are on a minature level.

 

 

Being in the field of Quality for about 35 years and having a degree in Chemistry, I've been dealing with statistics for a long time. I learned long ago to have a healthy respect for statistics and I've always treated it like I would electricity. Used properly they can work miracles and allow you to do things that are otherwise impossible. But used poorly they can kill you very quickly. To keep that perspective I've always refered to one example that for me says it all. And that is: "The average person has one breast and one testicle." It always reminds me to not let the numbers clound my actual thinking.

 

Yeah...I was never big on stats. But the weird thing was that even as a product engineering co-op; I had to use it and/or know something about it, so...mehhh....I sit/slug through it cuz it's a requirement. But not my preferred cup of tea. But to each their own.

 

At least unlike electricity, you can lick stats and it won't kill you. At least not according to the acturarial tables. ;)

 

Yeah...I get into that a little bit whenever I am arguing with people about the whole "vaccines causes autism" thing or people who don't have legitimate (i.e. medical pre-conditions) reasons for not vaccinating their kids. People are dumb. Dr. Albert Campbell said that people can't understand basic arthimetic. I believe him. And if people can't understand that, then they most certainly won't be able to understand basic probability and statistics.