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#21 OFFLINE   ptjones

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Posted 18 December 2014 - 10:12 AM

In post #3 (http://fordfusionhyb...l-tank/?p=90792) GrySql provided a detailed description of what happens when the Fuel Pump Assembly (FP) Reservoir runs dry. I suspect GrySql found this in a shop manual or similar resource.

 

Are you saying this is what happens to our FFHs everytime it cycles between the ICE and EV? I could be wrong, but I suspect that is not even close to what happens during normal driving and to characterize the normal cycling between ICE and EV the same as running the gas tank dry would be incorrect.

I do have the shop manual and the only thing that I see as different mechanically is the fuel in the fuel line isn't pressurized because fuel pump can't pump air. From the injectors forward it would appear to be the same. :)

 

Paul PS BTW last I checked there has been 211 views to this thread so far, apparently there are quiet a few curious about their tank size. :)


Edited by ptjones, 18 December 2014 - 10:17 AM.

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#22 OFFLINE   Waldo

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Posted 18 December 2014 - 10:43 AM

I do have the shop manual and the only thing that I see as different mechanically is the fuel in the fuel line isn't pressurized because fuel pump can't pump air. From the injectors forward it would appear to be the same. :)

 

 

But that's a BIG, BIG difference.  If the computer commands injectors to open and the pressure isn't what is expected, the fuel injector won't inject as much fuel as the computer intends and you will have a lean condition.  Going suddenly lean while the engine is under load can cause detonation which can lead to engine damage.  On my RX7 turbo it was a well known issue that running out of fuel while on the track and running under boost would produce a blown apex seal almost every time.  Now the piston rings in the FFH and just about every other ICE of the last 50 years are much more robust than the apex seals in an RX7 and the FFH doesn't have boost so the chances of causing damage are much less, but a controlled shut down by the computer is a much different scenario than running out of fuel.


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Posted 18 December 2014 - 12:27 PM

apparently there are quiet a few curious about their tank size. :)

 

An assumption that might not be true either.

Maybe there are just curious to see why anyone would bother !!  ;)



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Posted 18 December 2014 - 12:45 PM

 apparently there are quiet a few curious about their tank size. :)

 

I am more entertained with the squabbling back and forth than the actual size of the tank.  :)

 

But thanks for the research on the size of the tank.


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Posted 18 December 2014 - 03:05 PM

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Posted 18 December 2014 - 03:12 PM

Going suddenly lean while the engine is under load can cause detonation which can lead to engine damage. 

Only speculation on my part, but I suspect the lean condition is what can affect the emissions systems that the owners manual warns about.

 

I am more entertained with the squabbling back and forth than the actual size of the tank.  :)

LOL!   I am very surprised no popcorn munchers have not showed up yet. CC ususally provides the butter.


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Posted 18 December 2014 - 03:14 PM

There, you see!  Just as a I was composing the above post the wise guy from Texas supplied the popcorn.

 

I know Consumer reports has a mixed reputation within the forum but here is what they have to say about damage to the car by running out of fuel. I would struggle trying to think of a reason why they would have an axe to grind on this subject: 

 

http://www.consumerr...ostly/index.htm

 

I believe I have already exceeded the threshold to qualify for "beating a dead horse".   horse2.gif   I'll now enjoy some of the Texas popcorn.


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Posted 18 December 2014 - 03:48 PM

 
LOL!   I am very surprised no popcorn munchers have not showed up yet. CC ususally provides the butter.

Your wish is my command ;)

I'm going all in this time. :)

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Posted 18 December 2014 - 04:19 PM

 

I am more entertained with the squabbling back and forth than the actual size of the tank.  :)

 

But thanks for the research on the size of the tank.

Where this started was on the CMAX forum where we have a 600+mi. Club of which we have over 50 members and the question came up how big is the tank. This would determine how far you could go on a tank of gas. So a number of us ran our tanks dry with a 2gal gas can in reserve if we needed it to find out. We came up with 13.9-14gallons for a total. Currently there are three of us at about 900mi. and we think 1,000mi. on a tank is possible.  I'm surprised there isn't a 600+ Club with a list of members on this Forum, I apparently  Range and MPG's aren't as important on this Site. :)

 

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Edited by ptjones, 18 December 2014 - 04:21 PM.

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Posted 18 December 2014 - 04:23 PM

 I'm surprised there isn't a 600+ Club with a list of members on this Forum, I apparently  Range and MPG's aren't as important on this Site. :)

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Posted 18 December 2014 - 04:54 PM

I'm surprised there isn't a 600+ Club with a list of members on this Forum, I apparently  Range and MPG's aren't as important on this Site. :)

As you know we do have a 600+ Topic with members who report in, just not a formal list of names.  

 

Here's a picture of the notorious FFH fuel tank, emissions system & canister:

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Posted 18 December 2014 - 05:19 PM

As you know we do have a 600+ Topic with members who report in, just not a formal list of names.  

 

Here's a picture of the notorious FFH fuel tank, emissions system & canister:

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I saw the 600+ mile thread and was hoping the OP or someone would create a list like the CMAX one to encourage more members to get involved. Just a thought, I did one for LifeTime numbers.  BTW great pic and no suspension too. :)

 

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Posted 18 December 2014 - 10:17 PM

Currently there are three of us at about 900mi. and we think 1,000mi. on a tank is possible.

900 miles on 14 gallons is 64 mpg. How to you get that unless the cars are Energi/plug-ins?


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Posted 19 December 2014 - 12:25 AM

For some of us we just enjoy the FFH many attributes and don't get so obsessed with seeing how far we can go on a tank of gas. I am perfectly happy with the mileage I get and don't intend to go much past the yellow low fuel alert before I fill it up.


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Posted 19 December 2014 - 08:02 AM

Agreed, I've never seen the red marker in mine and I don't intend to. Now, for my impression of Hilary Clinton - 13.5 or 14.1, what difference does it make?


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Posted 19 December 2014 - 08:20 AM

Going 600 miles on a 14 gallon tank or going 300 miles, putting in 7 gallons and then going another 300 miles and putting in 7 gallons costs me exactly the same, so why would I care?


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Posted 19 December 2014 - 08:25 AM

For some of us we just enjoy the FFH many attributes and don't get so obsessed with seeing how far we can go on a tank of gas.

 

For me (and probably several others) it can be summed up as:  Interested in it, yes... obsessed with it, no.  So it's nice to make note of it but no need for lists.


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Posted 19 December 2014 - 08:53 AM

Besides, if you were really obsessed with getting the best fuel economy, you'd get it down close to empty then only put in 1 gallon, then repeat.  Carrying around all that extra fuel hurts fuel economy.


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Posted 19 December 2014 - 10:57 AM

900 miles on 14 gallons is 64 mpg. How to you get that unless the cars are Energi/plug-ins?

Here is how it's done, Put Grill Covers on, 50PSI tire pressure, P&G (Pulse and Glide), don't be in a hurry, be a where of the driving conditions ahead  and take advantage of them.  My LifeTime brake score is 98% and on a 900mi. tank my ICE miles are only 28%. I have two trips to AZ where I started from Newnan,GA to around Weatherford, TX, 909mi. and 910mi. using State Routes mostly 55mph. Both trips temps where in the 70-80*F no A/C and minimized the number of stops. For many of us CMAXers it is Fun/Challenge/Game to try to keep improving ours skills, to take a boring activity and make it entertaining. :yahoo:  :shift:

 

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Posted 19 December 2014 - 03:57 PM

Going 600 miles on a 14 gallon tank or going 300 miles, putting in 7 gallons and then going another 300 miles and putting in 7 gallons costs me exactly the same, so why would I care?

On a highway trip 300 miles is about the max duration for my bladder. When I stop I fill up at the same time, otherwise, I'm making another stop another 150, or so, miles down the road. Not a very efficient use of my travel time.

 

I have two trips to AZ where I started from Newnan,GA to around Weatherford, TX, 909mi. and 910mi. using State Routes mostly 55mph. Both trips temps where in the 70-80*F no A/C and minimized the number of stops.

Enjoy and knock yourself out but that sounds like an extremely miserable 900 mile trip to me.

 

Only speculation on my part, but I suspect most people that purchase a FFH choose this car because it is very comfortable to drive, especially on long trips, and it gets great MPG at the same time. That is the case for me and I did not purchase it to be miserable while driving it.


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