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#21 OFFLINE   hybridbear

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Posted 24 May 2014 - 12:46 PM

Car companies are on a huge campaign to lower vehicle weight because it affects mpg. The Gen 1 FFH went 600-700 miles on it's 17.5 gal tank. That's far more than a mid-size family sedan is expected to go. They've saved probably 30 lbs. in the Gen 2 with the smaller tank for almost zero cost. That's the Ford goofiness.

Yet Honda put a large tank in the Accord Hybrid & uses that as a selling point against the FFH saying that the Accord Hybrid is better because it has more range. It doesn't matter what consumers actually do, they're swayed by big numbers. That's the same thing that keeps most ppl from buying electric cars. Even if they average 20 miles a day and do a max of 50 miles a day except on rare occasions they'll look at a BEV with a 75-80 mile range and say that they could never do it.


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#22 OFFLINE   ptjones

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Posted 24 May 2014 - 01:42 PM

 

well i tested this theory this weekend my previous fill up was 12.26 gal so to my usual expectation the car displayed 0 DTE at around 11 gal so i knew i wasnt going to do any far traveling so i went and drove the car about 100 miles when the car ran out of gas at 12.66 gal according to my trip1 display which i reset at every fill up, after getting to the gas station filled up to my surprise 13.48 gal.  

Did you fill your tank all the way up to the top? CMAX holds 13.9-14gal all the way to the top. that is usually two or three clicks.  It sounds like the CMAX ended up with a bigger tank. :)

 

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Posted 24 May 2014 - 03:49 PM

Car companies are on a huge campaign to lower vehicle weight because it affects mpg.

 

That is not news.

It has been going on for years,.......decades really.

 

It is on a list of "little things that add up".

Extra weight really doesn't increase the energy consumption much.......once you get it moving.



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Posted 24 May 2014 - 08:05 PM

Actually it does. A Prius weighs about 3000 lbs, about 20% lighter than an FFH. It gets 20 % better mileage. The X Prize for a 4 seat car that got more than 100 mpg was awarded to a one- off vehicle that weighed 800 lbs.


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Posted 25 May 2014 - 09:10 AM

Actually it does. A Prius weighs about 3000 lbs, about 20% lighter than an FFH. It gets 20 % better mileage. 

 

You say that like you think there is a direct correlation there and that weight alone accounts for the difference.

It doesn't. 

There are a LOT of other factors in play......like propulsion system design and aero drag.

 

The Toyota people are fond of saying that Ford uses "old" technology.

I suspect that is only partly true.

 

P.S.  My Fusion get about 40; my Prius C gets about 60.

That's more like a 50% increase. :)


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Posted 26 May 2014 - 09:40 AM

First off, Ford designed the tank so that with the HVB you can fold the rear seats down for passthrough. Does Honda have this?    I doubt they did it for weight savings, I believe Ford was going for more utility, and usefulness, which none of the other family hybrid sedans have/had.  Also remember a Prius is designed from the wheels up to get high MPG. From the tire design to the shape of the body and every little thing added to it to make it as efficient as it is. The Fusion Hybrid is based off the Fusion gas model, which has more room, better handling and many more features than a Pruis.  Considering the FFH gets twice the fuel efficiency of the non Hybrid models, thats pretty damned good technology!


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Posted 14 October 2014 - 08:08 PM

Not to beat a dead horse(thread), but the Prius is an altogether different car. Two of my friends drive them and they are devoid of any driving fun or touch of luxury which our cars have in spades. Prii are amazingly efficient, but the interior is a veritable sea of hard plastic surfaces and less than well designed low res, monochrome and quite plain hybrid info displays. I love my car for more than its great mileage. I love its beauty, its comfort and quiet and its easy to understand yet lovely to look at hybrid info gauges.


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Posted 27 October 2014 - 12:11 PM

And that is why those owners defend their cars so much, They be jealous of our Rollin!  I owned one years ago, and entertained the notion last year when I had so many issues with Ford, that is until I opened the door and saw the spartan cabin with cheap recycled materials.  I can't believe that was 7 years ago when I drove my first Hybrid. 


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Posted 27 October 2014 - 02:06 PM

It sounds like no one has run out of gas in a FFH to find out how big the tank is Actually. We won't know the number of gallons until someone does. IMHO   As stated before CMAX is rated for 13.5gal tank, but actually has 13.9-14gal tank. A number of CMAXer's have  proven this. I would think the FFH would be similar in size. It seems like a waist of time to fill up with less than 12gals. IMO 21% of my fill ups(131 Total) have been less than 12gals. and most were from wanting  to have a full tank to start a long trip. :shift: :)

 

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Posted 27 October 2014 - 02:44 PM

I think I must be missing something here as I'm not getting the intense interest (obsession?) with running the tank to near empty and then force feeding your FFH with the greatest possible number of gallons when refueling.  I'm currently averaging 45.2 MPG (actual) and 10 gallons lasts me way beyond my bladder capacity and rear end comfort limits.

 

Is this really a personal inconvenience or is it more of a challenge to hit some artificial goal for number of miles on a single tank of gas?


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Posted 27 October 2014 - 03:17 PM

Is this really a personal inconvenience or is it more of a challenge to hit some artificial goal for number of miles on a single tank of gas?

It is OCD.

Chronic and severe OCD.  :)



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Posted 27 October 2014 - 07:54 PM

If I could regularly use 13 gals between fill-ups.... I would.

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Posted 27 October 2014 - 08:00 PM

If I could regularly use 13 gals between fill-ups.... I would.

This, and having the fuel gauge actually read empty when it is empty. It is a 13.5 gallon tank, yet the gauge will have you believing its only 11.   Now my Freestyle with 172K miles on it, when it says it used 13.4 gallons of gas, it used 13.4 gallons of gas.   When planning out a trip, knowing how far you can actually go on a tank, can help with planning your stops.

 

When I drove the BD to Florida, that gauge was all over the place, so I stopped more often for gas than I needed to.


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Posted 27 October 2014 - 08:23 PM

When I drove the BD to Florida, that gauge was all over the place, so I stopped more often for gas than I needed to.


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Posted 27 October 2014 - 08:43 PM

If I could regularly use 13 gals between fill-ups.... I would.

 

Your fuelly average is showing a very impressive 48.4 MPG which gives you a range of 532 miles on 11 gallons. I suspect that far exceeds the range achieved by average motorists and you are achieving very impressive results even for a FFH.  No offense intended, but I am curious why you want to take your FFH down to 0.5 gallons left in the tank before refueling?



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Posted 27 October 2014 - 09:01 PM

I just desire to spend as little of my life at gas stations as possible. ;)
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Posted 27 October 2014 - 09:54 PM

 

Your fuelly average is showing a very impressive 48.4 MPG which gives you a range of 532 miles on 11 gallons.

See what these folks did on 13.5 gal.


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Posted 28 October 2014 - 01:03 PM

When we've done road trips we've always planned on about 450 miles between gas stops. At 40-45 MPG on the interstate this means 10-11 gallons approximately. Around town I would consistently run the hybrid down as low as possible. With the Energi we'll likely fill it once a month to use up our gas rewards from the local grocery chain which expire after 30 days. We combine gas station trips with my parents to get the most out of the 20 discounted gallons.


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Posted 28 October 2014 - 01:26 PM

My 2010 Merc Milan hybrid had a larger tank, the same size as the ICE version, 18 gallons if I recall correctly.  I think it could easily do 800 miles on a tank.  I could drive from Chicago to Columbus Ohio and back and not buy gas, or usually fill up at the cheapest station along the way.  It was nice to be able to game the gas pricing boys at big oil and it made road trips more fun, using Gas Buddy to find and fill at only the cheapest stations.


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Posted 28 October 2014 - 03:20 PM

I just desire to spend as little of my life at gas stations as possible. ;)

And what do you plan to DO with that extra hour a year of so that you will have saved ??

 

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