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#1 OFFLINE   Howie411

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 10:19 AM

So I've had my 2014 FFH Titanium 1 week now and I wanted to give my opinion on it.  (Just a heads up there will be a bunch of comparisons to my old 2010 FFH and my previous 2013 Ford Escape Titanium.)

 

So anyways lets see where to start.  I am still on my first tank of gas, I show a little more then 1/4 of a tank left on the gauge and averaging 41.1 MPG, over all I am pretty pleased with the gas mileage I've been getting, on a few trips to work in the morning I've managed to get around 48 mpg.  It definitely requires some abnormal driving techniques to achieve close to the EPA rating of 47.  Oddly enough on my old 2010 FFH I hit 50mpg on a few instances of driving to work, so I'll be interested in seeing if I can manage to do that with this car.

 

Let me talk about acceleration/speed for a minute.  Going from 270 HP on the Escape to 185 HP is a major "ouch", going from a stop light to normal driving speed (on say a 35-45 mph road, I feel like I'm lagging behind and everyone behind me is waiting.  Once I'm up to cruising speed though I have no issues or concerns.

 

Next we have the technology, this car is a packed full of technology goodness.   

 

Adaptive Cruise Control - Not sure how I ever lived without this, we are 1/2 way towards automatic driving cars.

BLIS - Had this on my last 2 Fords, don't think I can ever buy a new car without it.

Lane Departure Warning with Lane Keep Assist - I've used the warning but not the assist feature. Still to early to comment really on this.

NAV  System - As much as people knock it (I myself being one of them) the Ford Nav system is much better then most other car manufactures, I've seen a lot of different systems and the Ford system by far is the best looking, most of the other systems look like a system from 5 years ago.  Still annoyed Ford charges $200 for Map updates though, in this day in age when your phone has free gps and portable systems include free map updates this business strategy needs to be changed.

MyFordTouch - This system has gotten a lot better.  With version  3.6 there is a lot less bugs, I just hope they can keep putting out good fixes without breaking things in the process.  By the way they did a much better job in the FFH integrating MyFordTouch then in the 2013 Ford Escape, its also much easier to press the screen while driving.

Active Park Assist - Still haven't used this yet, and never used it with my Ford Escape.  One of these days I will be brave enough to try it.

 

Now for a few annoyances:

 

1.  While the touch sensitive buttons is cool and futuristic like, I find myself accidentally pressing them sometimes when I reach over to the MyFordTouch system.  On a side note they don't seem to respond when wearing gloves.

2.  Occasionally there is a small jolt when switching from EV to ICE while the car is stopped, happens rarely but I never had this happen on my 2010 FFH.

3. I feel like I'm sitting very low in this car, it may just be how the center armrest is but I keep finding myself readjusting, especially my left foot which I feel needs to be completely stretched out to be comfortable in the car.

4.  I can't believe my HD Radio is broken out of the box (ie bought broken) and Ford still has yet to issue a fix.

 

 

A few extra things:

 

I can't say how much I love the design of the rear tail lights, why oh why didn't they add LED's to the front too.

This is the first Ford I've owned that has a center cup holder with auto adjustments for different size cups.  It seems so simple, not sure why every car doesn't have this.

Remote Start is awesome, didn't have it on my 2010 FFH, but I did on my Escape, nice to have it back on a fuel efficient car.

 

 

In general I'm really liking this car, great technology, great looking and great gas mileage.  Its hard to get all 3 of those in a non luxury car (let along 2 of the 3).

 

 

 

 

 


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#2 OFFLINE   Aquineas

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 10:24 AM

Nice review. I agree with you on the touchscreen and accidentally activating buttons by grazing them. On a side note, you're getting pretty good mileage on your first tank, too!


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Posted 18 November 2013 - 10:39 AM

Nice review. I agree with you on the touchscreen and accidentally activating buttons by grazing them.

 

I also find this very annoying, reach down to get something from the storage under the stack and you hear 'boop' your hand got too close and activated something, then it's time to figure out what got activated.  I'll take the old-fashioned buttons any day.


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Posted 18 November 2013 - 11:10 AM

I love these one week reviews.  It's great hearing from new owners when all of the tech is still new and fun.

As for the touch buttions, even though they might be a pain somtimes, I am still really glad that I am getting a Fusion before Ford goes back to buttons.  If the Dash looks anything like what the S/SE with out the Touch system, I don't want buttons back.  Just looks messy/busy/old.  Don't like it.  One of the reasons that I am getting a Fusion with MFT is the Dash and controls feel like car built in 21century. Clean lines, no clutter.  Might not be as practical as real buttons, but at least this one time I think I can live with form before function (and yes I am aware that I might end up eating these words after I have lived with the touch buttons for some time).
 


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Posted 18 November 2013 - 07:36 PM

Its funny, the car does feel like its crawling, but it does move out pretty good, its just most people floor it when the light turns green. I even have people jump ahead of me when I drive my Flex.  My wife really doesnt go past 2 bars, yet she can pull away from me from a light.


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Posted 19 November 2013 - 10:00 AM

Just hit my best mpg this morning, this is on my way to work, combo of city and hwy (about 40/60).

 

50MPG

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 12:44 PM

Glad you're enjoying the car!


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Posted 02 December 2013 - 11:47 AM

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So, I'm one month in, and am very very disappointed with the car. Average about 35 to 36 MPG, and that's after reading every tip on the forum (ok, all of the stickies and many complaint threads).  Once I saw 40 in stop and go traffic downtown, which is someplace unfortunately I visit about once a year. Much of my driving is Round Rock to San Antonio, on I-35 and 130 toll roads. 

 

I've pulled together a list of my issues and driving tips here: (assuming I'm allowed to post links yet) https://docs.google....Mmc&usp=sharing

 

I'm open to brutal commentary, additions, corrections. I'm taking it in to the dealer today who is aware of my frustrations (as is the Ford Twitter account...).  

 

Besides the software bugs and design defects, it may well be that the car is capable of "somewhere" near the mileage they claim, but in an area of 65-85 MPH roads (yay Texas), where it's near impossible to even stay in the slow lane, it's not performing as listed. If they disclosed that properly during purchase, it might be a different story. 

 

Anyway, I'm less ranty today than last week, but welcome your comments :) Many things may be nitpicky, but honestly if they add up to an overall bad experience it's just not worth it. I wonder if the 2014 is due a major update like the 2013's. 

 


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Posted 02 December 2013 - 12:12 PM

Sorry folks, forgot the photo proof!

 

 


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Posted 02 December 2013 - 02:38 PM

2014 Ford Fusion Hybrid Titanium, 2k miles

 

So, I'm one month in, and am very very disappointed with the car. Average about 35 to 36 MPG, and that's after reading every tip on the forum (ok, all of the stickies and many complaint threads).  Once I saw 40 in stop and go traffic downtown, which is someplace unfortunately I visit about once a year. Much of my driving is Round Rock to San Antonio, on I-35 and 130 toll roads. 

 

I've pulled together a list of my issues and driving tips here: (assuming I'm allowed to post links yet) https://docs.google....Mmc&usp=sharing

 

I'm open to brutal commentary, additions, corrections. I'm taking it in to the dealer today who is aware of my frustrations (as is the Ford Twitter account...).  

 

Besides the software bugs and design defects, it may well be that the car is capable of "somewhere" near the mileage they claim, but in an area of 65-85 MPH roads (yay Texas), where it's near impossible to even stay in the slow lane, it's not performing as listed. If they disclosed that properly during purchase, it might be a different story. 

 

Anyway, I'm less ranty today than last week, but welcome your comments :) Many things may be nitpicky, but honestly if they add up to an overall bad experience it's just not worth it. I wonder if the 2014 is due a major update like the 2013's. 

 

Did you test drive the car before buying it? It seems that you should have known about all of your complaints if you had test driven the car before buying it. The test drive should have then caused you to look elsewhere.


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Posted 02 December 2013 - 02:49 PM

Did you test drive the car before buying it? It seems that you should have known about all of your complaints if you had test driven the car before buying it. The test drive should have then caused you to look elsewhere.

 

Hey hybridbear!

 

First, let me thank you for all of your posts and tips in the forums. Believe me, I've been trying them :) I did test drive twice, but all they had on the lot was 2013's unfortunately. 

 

Second, and I'm sorry I should have given more context re: buying experience (and I've detailed this to Ford):

1) When test driving, the MPG was about 30, but was assured by multiple people that it was "just because of how it was being test driven, jaunting around the dealership". Ok, I maybe buy that, but actually shorter trips seem to work better for folks anyway.  Re: the optimal highway speeds and relation to mileage wasn't disclosed, they said to "drive it like a regular car" (which was why I picked this hybrid). 

 

2) The Sync/MFT/design/physical issues: unfortunately, these can only really be tested during ownership, using them day in and day out. They demo really well (and demo'ed by the dealer), but you have to be able to use them in real situations, in the manner you will use the car, to really see the problems. Case in point: bluetooth audio worked great during the test drives, and when first used in the new car. But plug in some different audio sources (an iPod, the same iPhone over USB vs bluetooth) and things start stumbling. Song titles randomly display or not, both in the MFT or in the dash readout. Anyway, the Master Reset has helped the connectivity issue for now, but I don't want to plug anything else in and dork it up. 

 

All my bitching aside for the moment, what are your thoughts on the numbers in the photos I posted? It seems like I'm doing everything "right" per the Coaches and so forth...is there some golden ticket I'm missing? If I could get decent mileage, I might be able to hold out for a Sync/MFT update.  There are real bugs in there, though, not just my personal preference (losing heated seat control, getting stuck in reverse camera, nav taking too long (and randomly) re-computing. 

 

Sorry for the blunt tone and lack of context joining. I really meant this is a request for help/verification, and to see if other 2014 owners "see" the same issues, or notice them over time. So please read it as such, not just a complete rant :)


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Posted 02 December 2013 - 02:59 PM

Oh, and regarding the tip list I compiled, I don't want to seem like I'm knocking any tip/method anyone came up with. I was more listing them as things tried and kind of from the mindset of "if someone bought this car and didn't google this forum, and read various threads with tips and technical analysis, would they get the expected usage/mileage out of the car". 

 

Ugh, yes I really did come in on a negative tone and was more looking for a discussion of 2014's which are still kind of few and far. 


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Posted 02 December 2013 - 04:01 PM

 

Hey hybridbear!

 

First, let me thank you for all of your posts and tips in the forums. Believe me, I've been trying them :) I did test drive twice, but all they had on the lot was 2013's unfortunately. 

 

Second, and I'm sorry I should have given more context re: buying experience (and I've detailed this to Ford):

1) When test driving, the MPG was about 30, but was assured by multiple people that it was "just because of how it was being test driven, jaunting around the dealership". Ok, I maybe buy that, but actually shorter trips seem to work better for folks anyway.  Re: the optimal highway speeds and relation to mileage wasn't disclosed, they said to "drive it like a regular car" (which was why I picked this hybrid). 

 

2) The Sync/MFT/design/physical issues: unfortunately, these can only really be tested during ownership, using them day in and day out. They demo really well (and demo'ed by the dealer), but you have to be able to use them in real situations, in the manner you will use the car, to really see the problems. Case in point: bluetooth audio worked great during the test drives, and when first used in the new car. But plug in some different audio sources (an iPod, the same iPhone over USB vs bluetooth) and things start stumbling. Song titles randomly display or not, both in the MFT or in the dash readout. Anyway, the Master Reset has helped the connectivity issue for now, but I don't want to plug anything else in and dork it up. 

 

All my bitching aside for the moment, what are your thoughts on the numbers in the photos I posted? It seems like I'm doing everything "right" per the Coaches and so forth...is there some golden ticket I'm missing? If I could get decent mileage, I might be able to hold out for a Sync/MFT update.  There are real bugs in there, though, not just my personal preference (losing heated seat control, getting stuck in reverse camera, nav taking too long (and randomly) re-computing. 

 

Sorry for the blunt tone and lack of context joining. I really meant this is a request for help/verification, and to see if other 2014 owners "see" the same issues, or notice them over time. So please read it as such, not just a complete rant :)

I'm glad you've found value in my posts. Perhaps we were unique in that we insisted on being able to test drive the car on routes we commonly drive to see what the MPGs would be like. We weren't content with driving a half mile pre-planned route around the dealership with a salesman in the back seat. We were determined to do that because of all the MPG controversy and if we're going to buy a car for MPG we need to know what kind of MPG it will get in the real world for us.

 

Have you updated your Sync to version 3.6.2? It seems that many owners have experienced many fewer problems since the update to 3.6.2.

 

As far as photos, there aren't any. What I see is a black box which says "No such photos found!"

 

As far as your comments about accelerating/driving and it being too much looking at the gauges - it really isn't. With time you should be able to learn how hard to step on the gas by the sound of the ICE and by the kinetic memory in your leg. At first you might need to watch the gauges more, but with time you should need them less and less. I almost never need to look down to see how hard I'm accelerating or even to feather the pedal to drop into EV when desired. I can do it all by feel on the pedal and by listening to the ICE. For acceleration, you should be able to learn the approximate rate of acceleration by watching how quickly stationary objects around you are going by to accelerate without needing to look at the gauges and still accelerate efficiently.

 

Don't forget that there is likely also a "break in" period. Once you get a few thousand more miles on the car you'll likely see higher MPGs. Right now we're seeing a 10 MPG drop from our black FFH to the new white one. Some of this is likely from the 18-inch wheels on the new one compared to the 17-inch wheels on the old one, but I sure hope that is 1 MPG or less of the difference. With the black one we saw about a continual rise in our MPG as we learned to drive more efficiently, as the temperatures warmed and as the car went through the "break in" period.


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Posted 02 December 2013 - 05:21 PM

Curses Flickr trying to embed a Flash box.  Here are the photos:

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As far as a normal route test drive, it wouldn't have occurred to me to ask them to let me drive it 120 miles (a common trip of mine to San Antonio, or even halfway). Maybe that's something I chock up to learning the car buying process :) (This is my 4th or 5th I believe.) I did take it up and down 35 a bit but as mentioned it was kind of hand waved away. 

 

The 2014s come with a new software drop, 4.x. Here's a picture of some of that data. http://www.richardgo...1126-162101.jpg

 

So it's possible it's an entirely new branch with its own set of bugs and optimizations yet to happen (depending on the computer components in 2014 vs 2013). 

 

I totally get the bit about the break in, I just hate to do another few thousand miles on it only to find no difference (and the resale value has gone down).

 

Anyway, completely working to see what can be made of the situation. I hope that folks would be in agreement that before purchase of this car, they should disclose 1) it will take significant changes to your driving techniques to get the most of it, or 2) you will get mileage in the much lower range.

 

I'm again thinking of, for ex., my father in law. He's a professional, an "intellectual" if there was one, very high in the financial analysis sector, and has driven primarily Lexus for many years. Now, he marveled at the Fusion when he rode in it the other day, but would he have any interest if he was told "break it in, learn to coast and feather the pedal, accelerate slowly, and understand how the climate control affects the whole process". (I'm paraphrasing of course.) The answer would be "no way", I would think.

 

I'm still here, still reading, TOTALLY willing to admit being wrong and ready to learn if there is something that can be done to make me love it like the day I drove it off the lot, and as you guys and gals love yours! :)

 

I'll have some more data on a short ride later today when I take it to the dealer to be looked at, and then a few longer commutes (~ 60miles/day, 3 days in a row). 


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Posted 02 December 2013 - 05:54 PM

Curses Flickr trying to embed a Flash box.  Here are the photos:

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As far as a normal route test drive, it wouldn't have occurred to me to ask them to let me drive it 120 miles (a common trip of mine to San Antonio, or even halfway). Maybe that's something I chock up to learning the car buying process :) (This is my 4th or 5th I believe.) I did take it up and down 35 a bit but as mentioned it was kind of hand waved away. 

 

The 2014s come with a new software drop, 4.x. Here's a picture of some of that data. http://www.richardgo...1126-162101.jpg

 

So it's possible it's an entirely new branch with its own set of bugs and optimizations yet to happen (depending on the computer components in 2014 vs 2013). 

 

I totally get the bit about the break in, I just hate to do another few thousand miles on it only to find no difference (and the resale value has gone down).

 

Anyway, completely working to see what can be made of the situation. I hope that folks would be in agreement that before purchase of this car, they should disclose 1) it will take significant changes to your driving techniques to get the most of it, or 2) you will get mileage in the much lower range.

 

I'm again thinking of, for ex., my father in law. He's a professional, an "intellectual" if there was one, very high in the financial analysis sector, and has driven primarily Lexus for many years. Now, he marveled at the Fusion when he rode in it the other day, but would he have any interest if he was told "break it in, learn to coast and feather the pedal, accelerate slowly, and understand how the climate control affects the whole process". (I'm paraphrasing of course.) The answer would be "no way", I would think.

 

I'm still here, still reading, TOTALLY willing to admit being wrong and ready to learn if there is something that can be done to make me love it like the day I drove it off the lot, and as you guys and gals love yours! :)

 

I'll have some more data on a short ride later today when I take it to the dealer to be looked at, and then a few longer commutes (~ 60miles/day, 3 days in a row). 

One thing that immediately stands out in your picture is your very low EV percentage. You have under 36% of your miles without the ICE running. That will have an impact. Check out this thread. Notice how most of the highest mileage pics include over 50% EV miles. Most of my pics have been 65-70% EV miles.

 

What are your driving patterns?


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Posted 02 December 2013 - 06:05 PM

I've tried the "keep it in EV" with Empower, I've tried to go strictly by the Coaches, I've tried the pulse->drop off the pedal to kick to EV->try to keep controlled speed in EV. (Like another poster said, it tends to keep dropping in speed no matter how hard you try. Keeping in mind I have to do 65 minimum give or take, if that helps the equation.

 

Will read that thread, and now off to dealer for them to give it the once over. Continued thanks!


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Posted 02 December 2013 - 06:20 PM

Might I suggest a 100% SOC Hard Reset?


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Posted 02 December 2013 - 06:34 PM

I love reading how members react to their cars. I have never had a car that had so much "emotion" attached to it.

 

Have to admit that I like having a car that rewards my good driving habits, and I could really give a #hi% about whether I am accelerating too slowly to suit someone behind me. I don't drive it like grandma, but if I have the opportunity I do hypermile it at times, and the results are highly satisfying.

 

As I have mentioned in other posts, my mileage since the update a couple of months ago has increased noticeably, and stayed at or very near the EPA figures. I also frequently exceed those figures on trips of under 25 miles. It is often a surprise that the car has done that well.

 

I don't agree  about acceleration tho. The combined torque on this car is more than adequate to keep up with many sedans and SUVs. I know, I have tried full accell a nmber of times, and pulled away from lots of cars. I was not, nor were they, drag racing. I'm just saying that I feel the power is very adequate for a hybrid. Tried a Prius? Not the same.

 

Freeway mileage is not this car's forte. City mileage is though, so since I drive few freeway miles, I absolutely am satisfied, and understand if someone who drives a lot of high speed miles isn't.


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#19 OFFLINE   Richard Goodwin

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 07:27 PM

Hey dalesky!

 

Many good points! I wish I knew there if there was an update in the works for this one, since all you 13'ers seemed to love it :)

 

A question: besides the Trip 1, Trip 2 records, I can't seem to find any way to get to my Lifetime records. I've gone through the displays, and tried like the videos say to turn the car off and either wait for the Trip mileage data to disappear or push the control down. Neither work for me. I'd love to get in there, and hell I'll even do the reset of those figures if there is some inaccuracy. 

 

As to the SOC reset, is that a big deal for a factory new car I wonder (no updates, yet ;) )? I'll keep reading. 

 

Oh, and the dealer experience a few minutes ago. I mention to the service advisor that I'm seeing mid 30s, when people elsewhere have gotten plenty in the 40's; she looks aghast at me and says "I've never heard of anyone getting in the 40's!". I'm thinking she misunderstood what model I had. 


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#20 OFFLINE   Richard Goodwin

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 07:29 PM

Oh, and I'm not sure where the comment about torque or power came in. It definitely has both! I think I might have mentioned that I had trouble keeping it at high speeds in EV mode w/o the speed dropping. That could be a factor of the road, the wind, the electronics, who knows. Just an observation :)


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