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#261 OFFLINE   hybridbear

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Posted 16 March 2015 - 12:55 PM

Just another update as the weather gets warmer again.

 

The weather has started to hit the 60s here in MN, and I still have the foam in the upper grill.  Temperatures still appear fine (Scan Guage showing 208 thru 215 as the highest it gets).  I have not used the AC in the car yet, so I'm sure that will cause the temps to go up even higher, and I know the AC will not work well with foam blocking its radiator.

 

My question is, at what point do you think it would be good to remove some of the foam?  I have been telling myself if the ICE water temp gets above 220F I would start removing some of the pieces, but not all of them.  What are peoples thoughts on that?  Does it make sense to keep some foam in to keep the aerodynamics better, or to remove all of them for better cooling (especially for the AC)?

Check out this post. Turning on the AC actually reduces ICE temp by opening the grille shutters all the way.

 

I'm not comfortable letting the ICE temp go above 215. Above 220 the ICE begins to behave differently. Last weekend we drove to Wisconsin when the temp was in the 50s. The ICE temp reached 217 or 218 a few times but mostly it stayed between 205-215. I still have both grilles completely blocked. We don't anticipate using the ICE again until late April so I'm leaving the grille blocked since it doesn't have much impact when running the Energi in EV mode.


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#262 OFFLINE   ptjones

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Posted 16 March 2015 - 04:14 PM

Checkarrow-10x10.png out this post. Turning on the AC actually reduces ICE temp by opening the grille shutters all the way.

 

I'm not comfortable letting the ICE temp go above 215. Above 220 the ICE begins to behave differently. Last weekend we drove to Wisconsin when the temp was in the 50s. The ICE temp reached 217 or 218 a few times but mostly it stayed between 205-215. I still have both grilles completely blocked. We don't anticipate using the ICE again until late April so I'm leaving the grille blocked since it doesn't have much impact when running the Energi in EV mode.

 

hybridbear "Above 220 the ICE begins to behave differently" Did you see anything on your gauges or just feel something?  The ICE Overheating Warning comes on at 247*F WT and the only time this could happen is on a long uphill climb.   I believe most members without Grill Covers never get into the operating range of the ICE (202-112*F according to FORD) and their MPG's suffer from that.  Grill Covers are worth 30-40mi farther per tank. :)

 

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Posted 16 March 2015 - 04:59 PM

hybridbear "Above 220 the ICE begins to behave differently" Did you see anything on your gauges or just feel something?  The ICE Overheating Warning comes on at 247*F WT and the only time this could happen is on a long uphill climb.   I believe most members without Grill Covers never get into the operating range of the ICE (202-112*F according to FORD) and their MPG's suffer from that.  Grill Covers are worth 30-40mi farther per tank. :)

 

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The ICE pulsates. We've experienced this on all 3 Fusions. See this post.

 

Seventh topic: maximizing ICE temp without overheating

On our last day in California we went to Joshua Tree National Park. Entering the park from the south you do a pretty steep climb at 35-45 MPH speed limit. This type of climb causes the ICE temp to increase more so that during a similar climb at 55-65 MPH. This caused the ICE coolant temp to reach 225. The highest peak we saw was 227 F. The grille shutters begin to open at 215 F. At 225 F the ICE fan came on and the grille shutters were about half open.

The ICE also began a weird pulsating behavior. What I mean by that is that while the ICE was running it wouldn't run smoothly at a nearly fixed RPM & power output. I'd be driving with a constant pedal pressure and the wheel kW would be fairly constant. But the ICE might rev up to 2700 RPM at 28 kW of power and then it'd drop down to 2000 RPM and 20 kW of power. The traction motor from the battery was constantly adjusting to make up the difference. Once the ICE temp dropped under 220 F this went away. I have experienced this in the black FFH after extended highway driving through mountains when pulling into a city and having the heat sink effect increase the temp of the ICE coolant. It happened in the FFH without any grille blocking. It appears that above 220-225 the ICE begins this behavior.

I tried removing grille blocking but this didn't do anything to reduce ICE temps because car doesn't open the grille shutters or turn on the fan until it's already this hot.

We also experienced this same behavior in the white FFH when the ICE temp went above 220 F. I never had a ScanGauge or anything to monitor temps when this happened in the black FFH.


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#264 OFFLINE   PennyPinchr

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Posted 15 September 2015 - 11:13 AM

Hi all! First time poster. I just purchased my FFH recently and have been addicted to this forum ever since. You all are a wealth of knowledge!

I went to Home Depot today, to purchase foam for my grille, and found a black foam pipe insulation with a more rubbery feel. I think the black would look even better than the grey. Has anyone tried this? Does it hold up any better or worse? also, would you need a larger diameter (it seems a little less dense)?

Thanks for your help!



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Posted 15 September 2015 - 11:43 AM

Hi all! First time poster. I just purchased my FFH recently and have been addicted to this forum ever since. You all are a wealth of knowledge!

I went to Home Depot today, to purchase foam for my grille, and found a black foam pipe insulation with a more rubbery feel. I think the black would look even better than the grey. Has anyone tried this? Does it hold up any better or worse? also, would you need a larger diameter (it seems a little less dense)?

Thanks for your help!

Welcome! Black would probably hide even better than the gray does. I don't know if anyone has tried the same insulation that you bought.


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#266 OFFLINE   BoatDrinksQ5

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Posted 21 October 2015 - 11:09 AM

That is the more expensive neoprene-like style I would think (with self sealing tape/glue).

 

Winter is coming... already noticing the extra runtime on the ICE due to 'heating'... plus extended runtimes when it needs to get to minimum coolant temp(?).

 

Glad I found this topic ! 

Gonna have to pickup some insulation asap!!!!


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Posted 22 October 2015 - 10:05 AM

The ICE pulsates. We've experienced this on all 3 Fusions. See this post.

We also experienced this same behavior in the white FFH when the ICE temp went above 220 F. I never had a ScanGauge or anything to monitor temps when this happened in the black FFH.

That is very interesting about the pulsing, I have never noticed this with the CMAX.  With the CMAX Hybrid I've gotten up to 247*F twice to my surprise(Alarm going off) going up long steep hills and I immediately turned defrost on which only takes maybe 10 seconds for temps to drop quickly and It also helps to let off the gas too!   With both lower and middle grills blocked off and upper one open for intake air and ICE compartment cooling I quite often hit 230*F, which is not a big deal if you monitor Smart Gauge Temp gauge, the needle is only slightly above the middle at that temp.  The Perfect temperature for ICE WT with Shutters open to allow for air to flow through Trans, Inverter Coolers and get the best MPG's.is 215*F  This is only possible 95% of the time with Grill Covers on. :)

 

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#268 OFFLINE   ptjones

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Posted 22 October 2015 - 10:17 AM

The ICE pulsates. We've experienced this on all 3 Fusions. See this post.

We also experienced this same behavior in the white FFH when the ICE temp went above 220 F. I never had a ScanGauge or anything to monitor temps when this happened in the black FFH.

Were you using Regular or Premium? :)  :shift:

 

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Posted 22 October 2015 - 11:51 AM

That is very interesting about the pulsing, I have never noticed this with the CMAX.

There was no noticeable feeling in how the car drove, just a sound. I could see it on my tablet with Torque Pro.

 

Were you using Regular or Premium? :)  :shift:

We always use 87 or 89 octane.


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#270 OFFLINE   ptjones

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Posted 22 October 2015 - 03:50 PM

There was no noticeable feeling in how the car drove, just a sound. I could see it on my tablet with Torque Pro.

 

We always use 87 or 89 octane.

I don't know what to make of it.  What did you see on Torque Pro? Now I only monitor SOC,WT,IT and TFT  on ScanGaugeII.  I have been over 230*F over a hundred times at least and haven't noticed any sounds or function of ICE that would alert me to a problem.  I will have to listen better I guess, I will say it doesn't seem to hurt the MPG's. ;) 

 

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Posted 22 October 2015 - 04:04 PM

I don't know what to make of it.  What did you see on Torque Pro? Now I only monitor SOC,WT,IT and TFT  on ScanGaugeII.  I have been over 230*F over a hundred times at least and haven't noticed any sounds or function of ICE that would alert me to a problem.  I will have to listen better I guess, I will say it doesn't seem to hurt the MPG's. ;)

 

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Posted 23 October 2015 - 01:31 PM

Using FORD's Smart Gauge Temp Gauge your not over heating until 247*F which is the top white line on temp gauge. I think you could infer that FORD isn't concerned unless you get above that temp.  Above 247*F ICE Computer starts pulling the power back to save the ICE from possible damage.  Next time I'm going to be making along uphill climb I will watch power and rpm's.  :)

 

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