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#21 OFFLINE   hermans

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 05:55 PM

I filled up my tank today (FFH). This was the tank I filled up in Ohio at the start of our trip home. 630 miles 13,4 gallons - 47mpg. Our 1200 mile trip was 46.2 and we got better mileage after we got home and drove it for a week. I would not have gone this long, but there is a gas station across the street and I was carrying a gallon of gas in the trunk.

 

Way to many mountains to get 700 miles to a tank.


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Posted 18 August 2013 - 11:08 AM

If my usable gallons of gas was anywhere near what the 2013 FFH fuel tank size is supposed to be (12.5 gal), I'd be getting over 600mi on a regular basis,  So far, however, the maximum amount of gas I've been able to put in is 11.05 gal and I get really nervous driving when my projected driving range remaining gets down to single digits.  I can't even get 11 gal into my tank on a regular basis,  Typically when I have single digit range remaining gas pumps will only put in around 10.5 gal and I have to force in the extra half gallon, 

 

I've never had a car before that was so hard to fill. Often times I can't even set the pump nozzle on the slowest lock setting and I have to gently squeeze the gas pump handle to find a flow rate that won't cause the pump to trip off and stop flowing. The best I can figure is that either the fill pipe is too small of a diameter or has too sharp a bend in it,  either way I'm getting cheated out of around 1.5 gal of advertised tank capacity, which really irks me.  The advertised tank capacity should be the usable capacity of a tank not including reserve space needed for vapor expansion or other reasons.

 

Our previous two cars, which were a 2000 Hyundai Accent (we traded it in when we purchased our FFH), and a 2006 Hyundai Elantra (which my wife now drives) both allowed us to routinely use within 1/2 gal of their advertised capacity.


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Posted 18 August 2013 - 01:09 PM

If my usable gallons of gas was anywhere near what the 2013 FFH fuel tank size is supposed to be (12.5 gal), I'd be getting over 600mi on a regular basis,  So far, however, the maximum amount of gas I've been able to put in is 11.05 gal and I get really nervous driving when my projected driving range remaining gets down to single digits.  I can't even get 11 gal into my tank on a regular basis,  Typically when I have single digit range remaining gas pumps will only put in around 10.5 gal and I have to force in the extra half gallon, 

 

I was able to put13.4 in mine. I do believe I was on fumes, but it is evidence to me that I'm able to use all of gas in the tank of my FFH. I went four clicks past the first one. I've never had trouble filling either of my tanks. I haven't tried this trick yet with the MKZh.


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Posted 18 August 2013 - 02:05 PM

Funny you should say that...

I just did the exact same thing, put 13.341 in my tank.

Driving yesterday my 'low fuel' light came on at about 8 miles from home, I went home.

This morning with a cold car, I EV'd the 1-1/2 blocks from my garage to the gas station, set the handle on slow/low fill and stood there - and stood there.

I began getting nervous, I'd only driven about 8 miles on the low fuel alert and as it passed 12 gallons I grabbed the handle and continued the slow fill.

Finally it clicked off at 13.34, with no extra clicks - very different!

 

This has never happened before, normally it's a battle to get 10 gallons in the car, with 3 clicks every time.

Could the PCM update have anything to do with this?

What really worries me is that prior to this the low fuel alert would come on and indicate 40-50 DTE, not now, I went less than 10 miles and it was DRY.

I better keep my eye on this.

 

Edit: Yes, we have expensive gas prices...

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Posted 18 August 2013 - 02:39 PM

I've done this before and after the update. i think the secret is the slooooow fill. My yellow warning comes on at 30-40 DTE. This time it came on at 33.

 

I'll be in San Diego next week for a few days. I will have to rent a car this trip.....can't wait, but then I know what to expect as I lived in SD before. My last two rentals have been new ( 1-2014) Impalas. Really don't like them.


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Posted 18 August 2013 - 04:28 PM

Here is my best tank thus far and went 28 miles past 0 DTE, but as you can see below it said only 12.33 gallons used with MPG of 57.2 so I figured I had gas left. I then filled up and the actual figures were 13.184 gallons for 53.94 MPG which is not quite as great but darn good nonetheless.  My MPG from display vs actual has always been slightly off, but maybe I should think of it in terms of percentage (higher MPGs meant higher disparity between the two) as this tank was over 3 MPG under on the actual vs the display.

 

The 13B07 PCM update has helped my car, and several of my past tanks would go well until one bad trip or really hot weather came in and jacked things up.  BUT - this time the whole week had nice mild weather and good trips (with lots of EV) all around, so it was the 'perfect storm' in a good way.

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That is amazing! I doubt I could ever accomplish that, as I may have gotten 57 mpg on an individual trip, but for an overall tankful, 48 is the best I have ever achieved. That would calculate to under 600 miles :(

But I think I could get into the 500 club; still haven't made it so far though....


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Posted 18 August 2013 - 06:29 PM

I was able to put13.4 in mine. I do believe I was on fumes, but it is evidence to me that I'm able to use all of gas in the tank of my FFH. I went four clicks past the first one. I've never had trouble filling either of my tanks. I haven't tried this trick yet with the MKZh.

How many miles of range did it say you had left?  Have you ever gone past zero miles remaining? If so by how much?  I get kind of freaked out when it says I have single digits of range left.


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Posted 18 August 2013 - 06:36 PM

I had traveled 8 miles below 0 DTE. With my 2010 Fusion 3.0 I was able to travel 25 to 30 miles after 0 DTE I did this often and my low gas warning would always come on at 50 miles to empty.


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Posted 20 August 2013 - 07:27 PM

On my very first tank last week I got to the gas station with a single digit of DTE.  I was only able to put 11.5 gal. into the tank and figured Ford keeps two gallons as 'reserve'.

 

I left Palm Springs yesterday with a quarter tank left on the gauge and 135 miles to get home. There was 90 miles DTE and the yellow warning light came on with about 40 DTE. I felt 'safe' continuing past 0 DTE since I knew I had two more gallons in the tank, based on my first fill-up last week.  

 

Below 0 DTE the yellow warning light with the gas station icon turns red and I was glad my girlfriend was asleep.

when I got home and put 13.44 gal. in the tank, I realized it's better to be lucky than good/smart. Now I know. (till next time...)


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Posted 20 August 2013 - 09:20 PM

On my very first tank last week I got to the gas station with a single digit of DTE.  I was only able to put 11.5 gal. into the tank and figured Ford keeps two gallons as 'reserve'.

 

I left Palm Springs yesterday with a quarter tank left on the gauge and 135 miles to get home. There was 90 miles DTE and the yellow warning light came on with about 40 DTE. I felt 'safe' continuing past 0 DTE since I knew I had two more gallons in the tank, based on my first fill-up last week.  

 

Below 0 DTE the yellow warning light with the gas station icon turns red and I was glad my girlfriend was asleep.

when I got home and put 13.44 gal. in the tank, I realized it's better to be lucky than good/smart. Now I know. (till next time...)

How far past zero did you drive?


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 01:05 AM

How far past zero did you drive?

 

I drove 57 miles past 0 DTE thinking I had 80 miles available, (2 gal. 'reserve'  X 40MPG).

Really lucked out needing only 57 to get to the gas station. 

Pumping 13.444 gal. into the tank meant I was cutting it real close.

 



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Posted 21 August 2013 - 04:37 AM

How far past zero did you drive?

 

I drove 57 miles past 0 DTE thinking I had 80 miles available, (2 gal. 'reserve'  X 40MPG).

Really lucked out needing only 57 to get to the gas station. 

Pumping 13.444 gal. into the tank meant I was cutting it real close.

 

You also risked destroying the fuel pump.  It depends on being immersed in gasoline for cooling.


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 04:22 PM

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I wanted to try for 700 miles but too risky for the fuel pump mentioned above. My last fill was 1 gallon more than what my car said I drove so I knew I had a full tank to try this. When I filled today, I could only put in 11.5 gallons even though my car said I should be able to put in at least 12.2 gallons. Must depend on heat and humidity during the fill.
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Posted 21 August 2013 - 05:14 PM

I'll have to fill up tomorrow on the work side of my commute.   Right now my dash is showing 63mi to empty and my commute is 47mi each way.  If I get really good mileage in the morning commute to work, I might be able to make it partway home before I'll have to stop for gas.  I'll be really close to the 600mi mark.  This time when I fill with gas, I'll try to get more in than normal. It really sucks to be only able to use 10.5-11 gallons of a 13.5 gallon tank. I honestly believe that advertised fuel tank capacity should be what can be reliably used without tricks.  Simply put if a car advertises a 13.5 gal tank, when it says 0 DTE, I should be able to put in close to 13.5gal without having to top off after the nozzle trips.


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Posted 22 August 2013 - 02:50 PM

Betcha all wouldnt get those numbers with the drive I have every day! :)  LOL


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Posted 22 August 2013 - 05:07 PM

I came pretty close to 600mi today. I filled up today at 579.9mi with 7mi DTE.  After the pump clicked, I pushed in an extra 1/2 gal in hopes getting 600mi this go around.  My hope is to get at least 11.5 gal of usable gas this tank.  If I can average 53 mpg again I should crack the 600 mi barrier.


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Posted 05 September 2013 - 06:05 PM

I got to 586.4mi today  11.22 Gal used. Was about 1 or 2 mi past zero miles remaining. Decided not to press my luck, plus, I was almost home.  No sense starting next trip on an empty tank.  My MPG was down a little because of heavy rains during my commute the past few days. Rain always cuts off several MPG, especially when I have to turn on the defogger.


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Posted 06 September 2013 - 07:02 AM

I got to 586.4mi today  11.22 Gal used. Was about 1 or 2 mi past zero miles remaining. Decided not to press my luck, plus, I was almost home.  No sense starting next trip on an empty tank.  My MPG was down a little because of heavy rains during my commute the past few days. Rain always cuts off several MPG, especially when I have to turn on the defogger.


I believe you could have filled up a gallon or two to be safe and prevent the fuel pump from dieing and not reset trip1 it would still count as long as the gallons total in trip 1 counter shows below the tank spec'ed size of 13.4 gal. :)

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 07:46 AM

I got to 586.4mi today  11.22 Gal used. Was about 1 or 2 mi past zero miles remaining. Decided not to press my luck,

 

How has your actual gallons pumped compared to the displayed gallons used on the trip?  If it is pretty accurate for you then you should have a little more assurance that there's fuel left in the tank, right?  Is your car able to be filled completely, as opposed to those who can only fit in 10-11 or so?  I've put in just over 13 gallons 2-3 times so my tank is fine, though it does take several clicks to get it filled that much.


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