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What did you drive before getting your FFH?

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Poll: What kind of car did the FFH replace? (111 member(s) have cast votes)

What type of car was replaced?

  1. Mid-size Sedan (33 votes [29.73%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 29.73%

  2. Convertible (5 votes [4.50%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 4.50%

  3. SUV (14 votes [12.61%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 12.61%

  4. Pick-up (10 votes [9.01%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 9.01%

  5. Minivan (4 votes [3.60%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.60%

  6. Crossover SUV (5 votes [4.50%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 4.50%

  7. MPV (1 votes [0.90%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 0.90%

  8. Compact (16 votes [14.41%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 14.41%

  9. Sports Sedan (5 votes [4.50%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 4.50%

  10. Luxury Sedan (6 votes [5.41%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 5.41%

  11. Full-size Sedan (3 votes [2.70%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 2.70%

  12. Other (please comment below) (9 votes [8.11%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 8.11%

Where is the car that was replaced from?

  1. American automaker (55 votes [49.55%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 49.55%

  2. German automaker (7 votes [6.31%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 6.31%

  3. Japanese automaker (38 votes [34.23%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 34.23%

  4. Korean automaker (5 votes [4.50%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 4.50%

  5. Other European automaker (6 votes [5.41%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 5.41%

  6. Other automaker (please comment) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

Have you owned an alt fuel vehicle before?

  1. No (82 votes [73.87%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 73.87%

  2. Yes, conventional hybrid (19 votes [17.12%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 17.12%

  3. Yes, diesel (7 votes [6.31%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 6.31%

  4. Yes, PHEV (1 votes [0.90%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 0.90%

  5. Yes, BEV/EREV (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. Yes, other (please comment) (2 votes [1.80%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 1.80%

Did you own another hybrid before?

  1. No (89 votes [80.18%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 80.18%

  2. 2010-12 FFH (6 votes [5.41%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 5.41%

  3. TCH (2 votes [1.80%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 1.80%

  4. Prius (6 votes [5.41%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 5.41%

  5. 2010-12 FFH & a TCH (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. 2010-12 FFH & a Prius (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. TCH & a Prius (1 votes [0.90%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 0.90%

  8. 2010-12 FFH, TCH & a Prius (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  9. Ford Escape Hybrid (2 votes [1.80%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 1.80%

  10. Honda Civic Hybrid (2 votes [1.80%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 1.80%

  11. Honda Insight Hybrid (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  12. Honda Accord Hybrid (1 votes [0.90%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 0.90%

  13. Toyota Highlander Hybrid (1 votes [0.90%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 0.90%

  14. Other hybrid (please comment) (1 votes [0.90%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 0.90%

Did you consider non-alternative fuel vehicles when shopping for your FFH?

  1. No, only hybrids, PHEVs and other alternative fuel vehicles were considered (55 votes [49.55%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 49.55%

  2. Yes, diesel (23 votes [20.72%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 20.72%

  3. Yes, gas-only cars (33 votes [29.73%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 29.73%

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#21 OFFLINE   GrayStrider

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 10:24 PM

1974 Ford Maverick (purchased used, first car)

1980 Pontiac Phoenix (used)

1987 Pontiac Sunbird (used)

1993 Saturn SL2 (first new car)

1997 Chevy Silverado PU (new; hubby's truck)

2002 Saturn L300 (new; totaled while on vacation June 2005)

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Still have the Chevy truck, the VUE, and of course, the '13 FFH.


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#22 OFFLINE   acdii

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 07:57 AM

At least you came away from the dark side to Ford! :)    LOL


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Posted 04 April 2013 - 10:25 AM

Yeah, at some of the dealers, especially when I wasn't wearing my watch and class ring, the salesmen were almost reluctant to even come initiate talks! This even happened at the VW dealer I had my old car regularly serviced at (but had never purchased from). One of the Ford dealers in town didn't have a hybrid on the lot, but since they were a smaller dealer I thought I'd give them a try first. They told me they had one coming in soon I could test drive. This was in mid February, and I have yet to hear back. Too bad for them.

 

I then went to the HUGE dealer a few minutes away, and the experience was much different. I too spent hours upon hours reading and watching reviews, and when they saw how informed I was (I think I knew more about the FFH features than my salesman), and found out I had x-plan pricing, they knew I was a real customer and treated me right. 

Sad how that happens. With the dealer I ended up buying from I went in there after having communicated through e-mail with someone and I told them right up front that we're ready to buy, we have X-Plan and which dealer we buy from will depend on how we're treated and the offer on our trade-in. I think part of why we got screwed by the first Ford dealer who sold the other Fusion out from under us after we had put down a deposit is that they looked at me when I went in there and didn't think I would buy. They're a big chain of dealers around the Twin Cities and now I tell people not to go there because of their poor service.

 

If I liked the C-Max, the Energi would actually be practical for us in daily use. With the 20 mile range (provided that it gets it), we could go to town and back and not use gas, or we could drive on the highway in Hybrid mode, and glide through town to and from the offices, then switch back to Hybrid once we leave town.  I briefly considered the Fusion NRG Ti, but the premium on it, even with the so called tax credit of $50( thats about what it actually amounts to in cash), it wouldnt be worth it, the returns in gas savings just isnt there.  The Cmax though, Maybe. 

I've been reading a lot on the C-Max Energi forum since my parents are considering an NRG and they're not very tech saavy and it seems like everyone on there is very satisfied. They've had a few software bugs, just like we've had bugs, but most of their comments about electric range are that they see 15-25 miles depending on speed, etc. People who are jumping right on the interstate are only seeing 15-20 mi EV range, in the city people are seeing 25+ mi EV range.

 

The tax credit is a credit, not a deduction. It is $3750 CASH from the IRS. I plugged it into TurboTax to test and make sure. It is not a deduction, it is a credit. Credits equal cash from the IRS. With the $3750 credit, the C-Max NRG is only about $700 more than the hybrid in base price.

 

Her pink flamingo antenna ball with the Mickey Mouse ears does garner some odd looks, but I prefer to think they're caused by the great looks of the FFH even tho it looks like a catfish.. 

Hahaha nice. I bet that does especially if you're driving the car without her with you


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#24 OFFLINE   acdii

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 11:28 AM

The tax credit is a credit, not a deduction. It is $3750 CASH from the IRS. I plugged it into TurboTax to test and make sure. It is not a deduction, it is a credit. Credits equal cash from the IRS. With the $3750 credit, the C-Max NRG is only about $700 more than the hybrid in base price.

 That is also dependent on how much you made, and how much your refund is before the credit. If you are already getting back everything, then its not going to give you back more. It doesnt give you a refund of $3750 unless you paid out that much in taxes. It reduces your tax burden by that amount. So for some people, it's good, others, worthless. Not my first hybrid tax credit :)  Got one with the Prius, and the TCH. I gained $50. 


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Posted 04 April 2013 - 03:23 PM

 That is also dependent on how much you made, and how much your refund is before the credit. If you are already getting back everything, then its not going to give you back more. It doesnt give you a refund of $3750 unless you paid out that much in taxes. It reduces your tax burden by that amount. So for some people, it's good, others, worthless. Not my first hybrid tax credit :)  Got one with the Prius, and the TCH. I gained $50. 

 

Maybe you've read up on this and I'm wrong, but i don't think so. You ought to get $3,750 in tax credit no matter what you owed or were getting back. If you had a refund of $500, you'd get a new refund of $4,250 for buying the plug-in hybrid. It's not just credit toward your owed taxes, it's real money. I got a first-time homebuyer tax 'credit' in 2010 and it added $5,600 to my already refund of $2,200. Thus I got $7,800 instead of $2,200. Take your current tax bill, whether the amount is positive or negative, and add $3,750 to it. 

That would be a complete rip off if they only gave you credit against your owed taxes. 


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Posted 04 April 2013 - 03:26 PM

Also, I'm 26 and I've owned:

1994 Pontiac Grand Am

1993 Honda Civic

2000 Toyota Camry

2006 Ford Focus

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1969 Boss Mustang

2012 Boss Mustang

2013 Mustang V6

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 09:46 PM

Maybe you've read up on this and I'm wrong, but i don't think so. You ought to get $3,750 in tax credit no matter what you owed or were getting back. If you had a refund of $500, you'd get a new refund of $4,250 for buying the plug-in hybrid. It's not just credit toward your owed taxes, it's real money. I got a first-time homebuyer tax 'credit' in 2010 and it added $5,600 to my already refund of $2,200. Thus I got $7,800 instead of $2,200. Take your current tax bill, whether the amount is positive or negative, and add $3,750 to it. 

That would be a complete rip off if they only gave you credit against your owed taxes. 

Maybe this will help, it explains how the tax credit works.

 

 

A tax credit reduces the amount of money you owe the IRS right away. For example, if you earn $40,000 per year and are taxed at 10 percent, you'll owe the IRS $4,000. A tax credit of $500 will reduce the amount you owe to $3,500.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 07:53 AM

You're correct acdii, but pretty much everyone who can afford to buy a new $30k-$40k PHEV will have enough income to have paid $3500 in federal income taxes. Which means that it works out to being $3500 cash


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 07:54 AM

Cool to see another young FFH owner :)

 

Also, I'm 26 and I've owned:

1994 Pontiac Grand Am

1993 Honda Civic

2000 Toyota Camry

2006 Ford Focus

2012 Ford Escape

1969 Boss Mustang

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2013 Mustang V6

2013 Ford Fusion Hybrid SE

 

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 07:59 AM

You're correct acdii, but pretty much everyone who can afford to buy a new $30k-$40k PHEV will have enough income to have paid $3500 in federal income taxes. Which means that it works out to being $3500 cash

True in some cases.  I could have afforded one, but the 3500 would have returned only about $1500 tops, I checked Turbo Tax just for kicks. 

 

Anyhow, to add  to my list,

 

2013 Flex Limited Titanium Ecoboost. 

 

So now I have a 2010 Fusion Hybrid, and the Flex. and a sense of relief too. 

 

I'll work on boxing up those covers for you and send you my email so you can send me where you want them shipped to. 


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 08:38 AM

'94 Ford Explorer XLT
'01 Dodge Durango

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 11:35 PM

Forgot about my 2004 Italjet Dragster 50, a 49cc made-in-Italy two-stroke scooter that went 55mph and got 75mpg. This thing was awesome! Liquid cooled, disc brakes, unique suspension and fast! Paid $1800 for it new and sold it five years later for $1500. Best scooter in the world.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 10:57 PM

So, how much more would a Fusion Energi be over the regular Hybrid model considering the tax credit?  Seems like the base price of the FFE was 10K plus over the base price of the FFH - you'd still have to pay that up front, right?  Would you have to wait until next spring to get your credit back? 

 

After reading a an article last November that compared the CMax Energi vs the regular Hybrid model, the authors felt that most people. based on the way they drive, wouldn't make back the additional cost of the Energi model in fuel savings, so they recommended the regular Hybrid model instead.  I talked my husband out of waiting for the Fusion Energi as a result, and we got the FFH instead (which we both absolutely love).


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Posted 06 April 2013 - 11:12 PM

So, how much more would a Fusion Energi be over the regular Hybrid model considering the tax credit?  Seems like the base price of the FFE was 10K plus over the base price of the FFH - you'd still have to pay that up front, right?  Would you have to wait until next spring to get your credit back? 

 

After reading a an article last November that compared the CMax Energi vs the regular Hybrid model, the authors felt that most people. based on the way they drive, wouldn't make back the additional cost of the Energi model in fuel savings, so they recommended the regular Hybrid model instead.  I talked my husband out of waiting for the Fusion Energi as a result, and we got the FFH instead (which we both absolutely love).

The Energi would only pay back if one or more of the following.

 

A. The tax credit, which is an amount taken right off the top of your income, reducing the amount you made for tax purposes, can actually give you back that amount in a refund.

B. your daily drive allows you to use the EV mode for most if not all of your trip for the day, and recharge at night, or have access to a charging station at work.

C. Gas prices go up above $6 a gallon.

D. you are one of those leaf wearing green wackos who are foaming at the mouth and think EV is the only answer.

 

If I were going from the F350 Diesel, like I did with the Prius, use the EV mode when I was close to my office where its most efficient, then yes it would pay off quickly, but if I go from a car that already gets good MPG, then no, the payoff would never be there.


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Posted 06 April 2013 - 11:23 PM

Choice B is what they stated in the article.  If only getting 20 miles in EV, 1/3 of our commute to work would have to use ICE.  No charging station at work, so I guess that'd mean the trip home would be in ICE.  Just didn't make sense to me to buy the Energi model.


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Posted 07 April 2013 - 08:32 AM

The Energi would only pay back if one or more of the following.

 

A. The tax credit, which is an amount taken right off the top of your income, reducing the amount you made for tax purposes, can actually give you back that amount in a refund.

B. your daily drive allows you to use the EV mode for most if not all of your trip for the day, and recharge at night, or have access to a charging station at work.

C. Gas prices go up above $6 a gallon.

D. you are one of those leaf wearing green wackos who are foaming at the mouth and think EV is the only answer.

 

If I were going from the F350 Diesel, like I did with the Prius, use the EV mode when I was close to my office where its most efficient, then yes it would pay off quickly, but if I go from a car that already gets good MPG, then no, the payoff would never be there.

A tax credit does not reduce your income, that's a tax deduction. A tax credit reduces your taxes owed. Based on married filing jointly that would mean that if you made $30,950 and take the standard deduction you would get the full $3750 back. A couple married filing jointly with no kids would need to make $30,950 before taxes in a year to owe $3750 in income tax. If you paid $3750 you can get $3750 back. If you only paid $3000 then you could only get $3000 back. If you are able to take more than the standard deduction then your before tax income would need to be higher to account for that. That's why they always say to consult your tax professional to see if you would get the full $3750 benefit. Most people will qualify for the full tax credit though because if you can afford to buy a new car your household income is most likely high enough that even with additional deductions for children or business expenses if you own your own business that you would still get the full $3750 back.

 

Choice B is what they stated in the article.  If only getting 20 miles in EV, 1/3 of our commute to work would have to use ICE.  No charging station at work, so I guess that'd mean the trip home would be in ICE.  Just didn't make sense to me to buy the Energi model.

The issue with those articles is that the writers aren't smart enough to realize that there are feature differences between the Energi and the Hybrid. The C-Max Energi is at the SEL trim level. That means that you can't compare the price of a C-Max Energi SEL to a C-Max SE and talk about price difference. The Fusion Energi comes as SE or Titanium but the Fusion Energi SE is more loaded than the Fusion SE Hybrid. All FFEs have the luxury package already and MFT. Those items are add-ons for the FFH SE. So before you figure out the price difference you need to factor in the feature differences.

 

For example, for my parents looking at the C-Max Energi the Energi price is $35,440 before the tax credit, or $31,690 after the tax credit. The C-Max Hybrid (with the exact same features) is $31,075 with no tax credit. That means that the difference is $615 based on MSRP. Either car they order they would be able to pay invoice price. C-Max Energi invoice is $32,919. C-Max Hybrid invoice is $29,044. C-Max Energi after tax credit is $29,169. That's a $155 premium for the Energi. That's what makes the Energi such a great deal on the C-Max. The Fusion Energi is priced much higher in comparison with the regular Fusion.

 

GrayStrider, if you had been looking C-Max Hybrid vs C-Max Energi the Energi might have been worth it even with the long commute. For my parents the C-Max will be their city car. Now that they're both retired they rarely drive more than 20 miles in a day, but they still go places almost every day of the week. I imagine they'll be able to do at least 1500-2000 miles between filling the Energi gas tank since 2/3 to 3/4 of their driving should be from wall charging.

 

At that price my wife & I would have bought a C-Max Energi if we would've had anywhere to plug it in at our apartment and if she didn't dislike the looks of the C-Max so much


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Posted 07 April 2013 - 11:39 AM

"....and if she didn't dislike the looks of the C-Max so much".

 

I'm at the point in my life that I don't have to drive an ugly car.  The C-Max Energi could save me a significant amount of money, but I'm happier making what are really minor sacrifices in other aspects of my life so that I can be driving the best looking vehicle available for under $60K.  I really don't like the looks of the C-Max.  And my wife would be making fun of me every day if one was parked in our garage.
 



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Posted 07 April 2013 - 11:57 AM

A tax credit does not reduce your income, that's a tax deduction. A tax credit reduces your taxes owed. Based on married filing jointly that would mean that if you made $30,950 and take the standard deduction you would get the full $3750 back. A couple married filing jointly with no kids would need to make $30,950 before taxes in a year to owe $3750 in income tax. If you paid $3750 you can get $3750 back. If you only paid $3000 then you could only get $3000 back. If you are able to take more than the standard deduction then your before tax income would need to be higher to account for that. That's why they always say to consult your tax professional to see if you would get the full $3750 benefit. Most people will qualify for the full tax credit though because if you can afford to buy a new car your household income is most likely high enough that even with additional deductions for children or business expenses if you own your own business that you would still get the full $3750 back.

Yeah, thats what i meant.  I shouldnt post when half distracted with Dr Who.  Taken off the top of taxes owed, not income, got them backwards, sorry.   What you do need to consider though, is if you finance the entire cost of the vehicle, you still pay for that 3750, then get it back, but still are paying for it in interest.  So if you buy the car, then get the tax credit next year, refinance the car with putting that 3750 back into it.

 

So had I gone and purchased a FFE, next year I would get part of my taxes back, but would still be paying for that portion.   I think this makes sense, dont know, have a headache right now.   When I bought th ePrius we got a tax credit too, but it did not reduce the cost of the vehicle, so we still paid the full price.


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Posted 07 April 2013 - 12:33 PM

Yeah, thats what i meant.  I shouldnt post when half distracted with Dr Who.  Taken off the top of taxes owed, not income, got them backwards, sorry.   What you do need to consider though, is if you finance the entire cost of the vehicle, you still pay for that 3750, then get it back, but still are paying for it in interest.  So if you buy the car, then get the tax credit next year, refinance the car with putting that 3750 back into it.

 

So had I gone and purchased a FFE, next year I would get part of my taxes back, but would still be paying for that portion.   I think this makes sense, dont know, have a headache right now.   When I bought th ePrius we got a tax credit too, but it did not reduce the cost of the vehicle, so we still paid the full price.

Yup, it makes sense this time :) You can also just pay part of the principal instead of refinancing. The payments won't get lower and you don't start another 5 full years (if that's what you choose) - it'll just take less time to pay it off.


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Posted 08 April 2013 - 03:47 PM

When I first saw this post, I thought I might be the oldest one on here, but since I'm not, I'm OK giving my list:

  1. 1973 Honda Civic (1st year Civic was built) - bought new for $1,999
  2. 1978 VW Super Beetle - bought used from a priest
  3. 1975 MG Midget
  4. 1975 Mustang 
  5. 1980 Datsun 200SX
  6. 1985 Nissan Sentra
  7. 1991 Chrysler LeBaron Convertible (can you believe it needed 4 transmissions in 5 years?!?!?!)
  8. 1996 Honda Accord (got stolen the 2nd week I had it)
  9. 1996 Nissan Maxima
  10. 1998 Mazda Millenia
  11. 2003 Hyundai Tiburon GT
  12. 2006 Honda Accord Coupe
  13. 2007 Volvo S60 2.5T
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