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#41 OFFLINE   MaineFusion

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 10:23 PM

On my trip last week from Maine to Williamsburg VA and back I saw so many instances of drivers without situational awareness that I couldn't have kept count if I tried. I also passed at least three multi-vehicle accidents, which were no doubt caused by inattentive drivers.

 

I especially loved the people who just tried to merge into me from on ramps without looking or using turn signals. With trucks to my left, my only choice was to hit the brakes to let them in.  Had they accelerated even a slight bit faster they could have merged in front of me with no issues.

 

Manufacturers can't bring fully autonomous cars to market fast enough for my liking. In the short run, I'd like to see the combining of BLIS with lane keeping such that audible warnings and steering wheel resistance  warn drivers if they try to shift lanes into a spot that is already occupied. On this, I really wish my FFH had an audible warning if I tried to shift lanes with someone in my blind spot.  Even the best drivers can use a little extra driver assistance.

 

As far as distracted driving goes, there should be points added to driving records for texting while driving. Fines alone is not sufficient.


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Posted 19 November 2013 - 01:59 PM

 

 

As far as distracted driving goes, there should be points added to driving records for texting while driving. Fines alone is not sufficient.

I would prefer revoking their license over points.  Drive on a revoked license and get caught, next stop is a sit at the county jail.  Of course when a license is revoked, so should the plates on the car, they should be turned in to the DMZ until the license is reinstated. What people really fail to understand, Driving is a privilege, not a right. No one has the right to drive a vehicle, they earn the privilege by obtaining a license, which I feel is given out too freely too. Since I hold a CDL I know what it took to obtain it, and I believe everyone should go through at least a few of the training sessions I did to obtain it.   During the test, if you touch a tire to a curb, you fail. Doesnt matter if you are turning or backing into a slot. I also did skid pad training, and in an 18 wheeler, it can leave skid marks, and not on the road.

 

 They also need to see first hand what the after effects of a wreck are.  Nothing sets your ass straighter than seeing what a 6 month old looks like after flying through a windshield when they arent strapped in and the driver slams into the back of another car.  Or what can happen when you cut off an 18 wheeler with a small car like an Escort and slam on your brakes. The aftermath of that can be the truck on top of the car killing everyone inside and their blood running out mixing with the antifreeze, oil and fuel from the car and truck.  Or watching in real time as a biker flies down the tollway at 150+MPH and slams into the back of a car driving 65 MPH, then seeing the person fly through the air and get cut in half by the light pole. 

 

Believe me when I say, you see that happen, and you never forget. 

 

Then again, you cant fix stupid or teach common sense. 


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Posted 21 November 2013 - 11:40 PM

I wonder if they still show the "blood on the highway" style movies that grossed us out in high school in the sixties? Or has it been decreed that the little darlings of today are too sensitive for the gore that could shock them into taking a little care?
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Posted 25 November 2013 - 04:17 PM

Have you seen today's video games? I dont think there is anything left to shock them......


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Posted 26 April 2014 - 02:51 PM

Will the collision warning alert and beep if the Adaptive Cruise is turned off? I know I've had the warning lights flash when I'm driving with Adaptive Cruise turned on but driving with my foot and not using the cruise to control speed. But I can't recall ever seeing the lights flash when the cruise isn't turned on and ready to activate. Thanks.


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Posted 26 April 2014 - 05:09 PM

Will the collision warning alert and beep if the Adaptive Cruise is turned off? I know I've had the warning lights flash when I'm driving with Adaptive Cruise turned on but driving with my foot and not using the cruise to control speed. But I can't recall ever seeing the lights flash when the cruise isn't turned on and ready to activate. Thanks.

 

Mine does.  In my first two months, it has gone off 4 times.

 

Two were mostly legit......as I have a somewhat bad habit of not slowing down as much as I should when the car in front turns right.

As I approached the corner of his bumper going around the turn, the alarm went off.

The other two times involved going around a rather sharp curve in the road with heavy traffic present.

I assumed the dynamics were similar to the turning car senerio.

 

After all that, I visited the settings and turned it back to "normal" instead of the higher one.

The alarm upsets my wife......especially if she is napping at the time !!! ;)

 

 



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Posted 26 April 2014 - 05:26 PM

What I found is that in the MKT, it will go off even if you are applying brakes, where the Fusion and Flex did not. If you are on the brakes it will not go off.  Had the Flex done this, I most likely would have not hit the car as hard, or avoided it completely.


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Posted 28 April 2014 - 10:49 AM

What I found is that in the MKT, it will go off even if you are applying brakes, where the Fusion and Flex did not. If you are on the brakes it will not go off.  Had the Flex done this, I most likely would have not hit the car as hard, or avoided it completely.

 

I don't think that's true, I think all Ford systems will go off when you are on the brakes.  In your situation, it may just not have seen the car in front, or the car in front was already stopped, so it wouldn't pick it up.  It will only set off the alert in reference to moving objects, not stopped ones.


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Posted 30 April 2014 - 09:03 AM

Not true, there were many times where I was on the brakes in the MKT when it went off as I was approaching a stopped car that it deemed I was approaching too fast, while in the Fusion it never ever went off when the brakes were applied, even in the same situations.  I will have to see if the settings are different in the MKT, just thought of that now. Since I didn't buy it new, those settings may have been changed b the previous owner. If the sensitivity is set higher in the MKT, that would explain it.  I do know that the one in the MKT works!  I had some idiot driver slam on their brakes at the front of a line of cars all going 55 MPH, then pull off to the side, nearly causing a pile up, I was already on the brakes, and when everyone slammed them on, the alarm went off and that pedal got stiff and the car STOPPED!  If only the Flex had done that, it may not have been totaled. 


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Posted 30 April 2014 - 09:24 AM

Could be related to the sensitivity settings, but the systems are all the same in all Ford vehicles.



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Posted 30 April 2014 - 09:25 AM

If that is true, then the Flex was defective. :)  Can't do much about it now.  


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Posted 02 May 2014 - 10:37 AM

So the entire system is described by ford here:

http://corporate.for...ogies-avoidance

 

It talks about:

Collision Warning with Brake Support

This is what you get with the fusion.  It also talks about a system at the bottom of the page (Active City Stop euro feature) where at speeds 20MPH and bellow some cars from ford will stop them self altogether.  Though doesn't seem to be available on the Fusion or in the US.  According to this article the car should never stop it's self in the US.

 

 

I have noticed that approaching locations where the system usually goes off if i am already pressing the brakes it doesn't go off.  No wither this is because my foot is on the brake or I am going a little slower these times i can't say.  Going into work there is a curve in the road with a guardrail inches from the road that almost always triggers the alert...



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Posted 02 May 2014 - 01:37 PM

I boosted sensitivity to high in the Fusion, and sort of tested it today behind a dump truck. The truck turned so I was speeding towards it like I have done in the MKT when it went off, and nothing happened. They do work different between the Ford and Lincoln. The Lincoln is set to normal sensitivity. 


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Posted 15 July 2014 - 07:17 AM

I boosted sensitivity to high in the Fusion, and sort of tested it today behind a dump truck. The truck turned so I was speeding towards it like I have done in the MKT when it went off, and nothing happened. They do work different between the Ford and Lincoln. The Lincoln is set to normal sensitivity. 

 

Hello, I am a new 2014 Fusion Energi owner and my Collision warning does not seem to work at all except for the lights flashing on start up.  My local dealer's service department is just plain incompetent, they provide only lies and mis-information and have proven they do not even know or understand the basic function of Fords active technology, or any technology in any manner.    I have watched several user videos on the collision warning system and mine just does not work, and my dealer refuses to acknowledge that it is supposed to work.  Besides research on these forums, it seems my only option is to take it to a dealer that is far from my house and hope that they have had training. 

 

After one week in the dealer to fix the fuel door switch I am not too eager to bring this new car in (68 miles on it) to the dealer because they have had it longer than I have.  So after thinking last night I know that the latest Ford update removed some Sync voice commands from the Climate system, I was wondering if this new software that my car came with also turned off the Collision warning system???  

 

Did you ever get yours to work ??

 

 

p.s. Just for a laugh: my dealer first told me that Active Collision only works with "cruise control engaged", then they told me to make the Active Collision more sensitive, I need to set the sensitivity to "LOW" as this means it gives me more warning and makes it more sensitive, ??????   Really????    Boy do I have faith in them!!!!  I don't think I will let them change the oil.



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Posted 15 July 2014 - 07:24 AM

 
Hello, I am a new 2014 Fusion Energi owner and my Collision warning does not seem to work at all except for the lights flashing on start up.  My local dealer's service department is just plain incompetent, they provide only lies and mis-information and have proven they do not even know or understand the basic function of Fords active technology, or any technology in any manner.    I have watched several user videos on the collision warning system and mine just does not work, and my dealer refuses to acknowledge that it is supposed to work.  Besides research on these forums, it seems my only option is to take it to a dealer that is far from my house and hope that they have had training. 
 
After one week in the dealer to fix the fuel door switch I am not too eager to bring this new car in (68 miles on it) to the dealer because they have had it longer than I have.  So after thinking last night I know that the latest Ford update removed some Sync voice commands from the Climate system, I was wondering if this new software that my car came with also turned off the Collision warning system???  
 
Did you ever get yours to work ??
 
 
p.s. Just for a laugh: my dealer first told me that Active Collision only works with "cruise control engaged", then they told me to make the Active Collision more sensitive, I need to set the sensitivity to "LOW" as this means it gives me more warning and makes it more sensitive, ??????   Really????    Boy do I have faith in them!!!!  I don't think I will let them change the oil.

Get Ashley involved when you visit the dealer. File a complaint with Ford about that dealer through her & leave them a negative review on DealerRater.com, Google+ & other sites.

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 09:19 AM

 

Hello, I am a new 2014 Fusion Energi owner and my Collision warning does not seem to work at all except for the lights flashing on start up.  My local dealer's service department is just plain incompetent, they provide only lies and mis-information and have proven they do not even know or understand the basic function of Fords active technology, or any technology in any manner.    I have watched several user videos on the collision warning system and mine just does not work, and my dealer refuses to acknowledge that it is supposed to work.  Besides research on these forums, it seems my only option is to take it to a dealer that is far from my house and hope that they have had training. ...

 

Pavman,

 

I'm pretty sure I reached out to you on another thread, but my offer to assist still stands. PM me your name, phone number, VIN, mileage, and dealer info if you're interested.

 

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 10:18 AM

 

Pavman,

 

I'm pretty sure I reached out to you on another thread, but my offer to assist still stands. PM me your name, phone number, VIN, mileage, and dealer info if you're interested.

 

Ashley

 

Ashley, I sent you a PM a few hours ago on the Fusion Energi board!  Thank you!



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Posted 15 July 2014 - 12:20 PM

 

p.s. Just for a laugh: my dealer first told me that Active Collision only works with "cruise control engaged", then they told me to make the Active Collision more sensitive, I need to set the sensitivity to "LOW" as this means it gives me more warning and makes it more sensitive, ??????   Really????    Boy do I have faith in them!!!!  I don't think I will let them change the oil.

 

There is a lot of confusion about the Collision warning system and what it does.  What is it about yours that "doesn't work"?  First of all there is no such thing as "Active Collision".  There is "Adaptive Cruise Control" and there is "Forward Collision Warning".  They are both related, but "Active Collision" implies that the car will try to take action to prevent a collision, and this is not true.  The only time the system will use the brakes on it's own is when the cruise control is engaged, so it's easy to understand what your dealer might have been thinking about, in fact you could even say they are technically correct; the only time the system will be "Active" is when the cruise control is engaged.  Of course they do have the sensitivity rating backwards.

 

But back to your question, what makes you think it's not working?  Does the adaptive cruise control work properly?  Do you have any warning messages?  When you go into the menus for the Forward Collision, does it show that the system is on?  Did the dealer try to check for any codes?

 

The Forward Collision System makes an attempt to predict if there is a chance of collision not just based on distance of something in front of you, but also the closing speed, the change in speed of the object in front and also your current inputs to the vehicle.  So if you're trying to test the system but are riding the brake as a precaution, it's going to be less sensitive than if you were on the gas but going the exact same speed.

Without any fault messages or codes, there really isn't very much the dealer can do, regardless of the amount of training they've taken.



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Posted 15 July 2014 - 01:04 PM

You are correct Waldo, I am speaking about the "Forward Collision Warning" system.  I have read and understand the parameters including not braking, going over 5 mph, not steering aggressively etc...and taken all of these into consideration.   I don't expect the system to brake for me but I had ordered the option to assist in WARNING me of a possible collision with a vehicle that may have suddenly slowed or stopped in front of me, in the event I may have been temporarily distracted.

 

I expect the system to work between high sensitivity and low sensitivity like the other owners of Fords as shown on this tread and copied below:

 

 

 

 

Now with that said this morning my wife DID manage to get it to go off once.  I was extremely surprised because I cannot get it to happen.  In today's scenario she was less than 5 feet from hitting a car, and I am not exaggerating! - so the system did give a warning on this one instance but I tell you she was driving badly and approaching extremely another vehicle very fast, she actually had to swerve  as brakes would not have stopped an impact, frankly if another car would have been next to us she would have caused an accident (not too happy with her right now!!) 

 

Anyhow, the system in my car must be so de-tuned that the 5 foot before impact warning does no good whatsoever.  I have set the sensitivity form Low to Highest and as I said it does not work like the videos above,   In it's current state it is useless.  I have also watched other videos showing the system go off even for cars in the other lane.   I am wondering if the new sensor in my car was calibrated so badly, it is pointless??


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Posted 15 July 2014 - 01:35 PM

I was confused about this when I was researching the car. 


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