Won't run in EV mode, ICE kicks in immediately.

[lolder]

Huh. I was looking at a great deal on a 2012 when we were shopping. I decided to pause, and pre-order a 2013. lithium ion instead of nickel metal sold me. So far, we are good, good, good.

2013-15s have a transmission problem. Don't get one unless the transmission has been repaired or replaced.

[ethermion]

2013-15s have a transmission problem. Don't get one unless the transmission has been repaired or replaced.

Well, I already have a 2013... Ordered October 2012, received Christmas Eve 2012. No transmission problems after 90k+ miles. Works like new. Love it.

 

I also have a non hybrid 2010 Fusion. There is chit chat about those having transmission problems too. Mine works like new. V6, speed shift, that beast can hustle! I love it.

 

Always be mindful that people that DO NOT HAVE PROBLEMS, tend to not complain or post to forums.

[Texasota]

2013-15s have a transmission problem. Don't get one unless the transmission has been repaired or replaced.

Consumer Reports reliability data does not back up this statement. Your drama grows very tiresome.

[PaulGo]

Unless there is a separate category for 2013 Fusion Hybrids all 2013 Fusion Hybrids are lumped together on the CR ratings and the 2013 non-hybrid models have a different transmission. Anyway you are in the wrong part of the forum to ask about a 2013.

Edited April 3, 2019 by PaulGo

[Texasota]

Unless there is a separate category for 2013 Fusion Hybrids all 2013 Fusion Hybrids are lumped together on the CR ratings and the 2013 non-hybrid models have a different transmission.

Consumer Reports has reliability data for the C-Max which is the exact same transmission as in the FFH. Automate provided that information here:

 

http://fordfusionhybridforum.com/topic/12698-help-needed-know-issues-first-versus-second-generation/?p=109143

 

It can be viewed in the April Issue of Consumer Reports.

[ethermion]

True, this is part of the forum is for the Gen 1 FFH.

 

But, I am with Texasota: Don't be dissin' the Gen 2 FFH like that here or anywhere else on this site. They are great cars.

[fun4u]

I recall that someone on this forum posted that the "rebalancing" procedure is different for the 2010 FFH with a Ni battery than with the newer FFH with the Li battery. When I pointed this our to my Ford dealer who had performed a rebalancing without success, the Tech told me that Ford Motor had instructed the dealer to use the same procedure on the 2010 as for the later models.

 

Does anyone have a reference to a Ford Tech bulletin or other source that indicates the need to rebalance differently for the 2010? I'd like to pass it on to the dealer.

[PaulGo]

From my owners manual:

 

How long will my high voltage battery last? Does it need maintenance?

The high voltage battery system is designed to last the life of the vehicle and requires no maintenance.

[Cnaroach]

From everyone who owns a 2010 FFH: The High Voltage Battery lasts exactly ten years from the day it came off the assembly line, then craps out.

[Rob]

From everyone who owns a 2010 FFH: The High Voltage Battery lasts exactly ten years from the day it came off the assembly line, then craps out.

 

That certainly seems to be the case. We bought ours in 2009.

[Automate]

I recall that someone on this forum posted that the "rebalancing" procedure is different for the 2010 FFH with a Ni battery than with the newer FFH with the Li battery. When I pointed this our to my Ford dealer who had performed a rebalancing without success, the Tech told me that Ford Motor had instructed the dealer to use the same procedure on the 2010 as for the later models.

 

Does anyone have a reference to a Ford Tech bulletin or other source that indicates the need to rebalance differently for the 2010? I'd like to pass it on to the dealer.

 

Probably thinking of this

 

Update: The dealer contacted ford Engineering to make sure they were servicing the battery correctly, and they had me come back in because apparently the mechanics didn't realize they needed to configure the battery re-balancing system specifically for my 2010 model. Anyway, they re-balanced it again, and it is now 90% back to normal.

 

 

here http://fordfusionhybridforum.com/topic/12638-wont-run-in-ev-mode-ice-kicks-in-immediately/page-1?do=findComment&comment=108946

[markwilson66]

From everyone who owns a 2010 FFH: The High Voltage Battery lasts exactly ten years from the day it came off the assembly line, then craps out.

 

 

That certainly seems to be the case. We bought ours in 2009.

Facts

[fun4u]

From my owners manual:

 

How long will my high voltage battery last? Does it need maintenance?

The high voltage battery system is designed to last the life of the vehicle and requires no maintenance.

 

Apparently Ford thinks that ten years is the life of the vehicle!

[PaulGo]

This may be a solution!

 

Ford Fusion Hybrid Battery Age Sensor

Asked by GuruCBYLP Feb 15, 2019 at 06:02 PM about the 2010 Ford Fusion Hybrid

Question type: Maintenance & Repair

My hybrid system stopped working a month ago. I took it into a dealership and eventually it was discovered that the computer sensed the battery to be over 9 years old and instructed the hybrid system not to work. If the sensor was told that the battery was only 1 year old (over riding the system), the hybrid components worked again. Is this normal? What is the reason for this?

 

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/Discussion-c28475_ds1000144

[Cnaroach]

Paul, this makes perfect sense to me. It always seemed to me like a computer issue. I sent this to my dealer, waiting to hear what he says.

[jake1110]

This may be a solution!

 

Ford Fusion Hybrid Battery Age Sensor

Asked by GuruCBYLP Feb 15, 2019 at 06:02 PM about the 2010 Ford Fusion Hybrid

Question type: Maintenance & Repair

My hybrid system stopped working a month ago. I took it into a dealership and eventually it was discovered that the computer sensed the battery to be over 9 years old and instructed the hybrid system not to work. If the sensor was told that the battery was only 1 year old (over riding the system), the hybrid components worked again. Is this normal? What is the reason for this?

 

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/Discussion-c28475_ds1000144

 

That certainly would make sense as to why all 2010 models are suddenly seeing this issue, while we haven't heard from 2011 or 2012's. It will be interesting to see if the 2011's start to do the same thing. If this is an actual design that was put in place, hopefully someone will share the necessary information to override the setting. I assume it was designed this way to prolong the life of the battery at the expense of performance.

[PaulGo]

 

That certainly would make sense as to why all 2010 models are suddenly seeing this issue, while we haven't heard from 2011 or 2012's. It will be interesting to see if the 2011's start to do the same thing. If this is an actual design that was put in place, hopefully someone will share the necessary information to override the setting. I assume it was designed this way to prolong the life of the battery at the expense of performance.

This behavior as far as I know does not happen on any other hybrids. On multiple occasions I have spoken to Ford Hybrid Customer Relations and they were unaware of this behavior. If it was designed this way it should have been in the owners manual or a technical bulletin for Ford dealers. My dealer has been in contact many times with Ford and they also did not seem aware this was a "design" feature. I am hoping that this may be a software "bug" that Ford needs to fix. It does not seem to make any sense that at nine years there should be such a drastic change in hybrid performance. My two hybrid vehicles now show the charging state of the HV battery on the high level instead of in the middle where is should be.

[Automate]

It does not seem to make any sense that at nine years there should be such a drastic change in hybrid performance.

 

Except, maybe it is because the battery comes with a 10 year warranty? By limiting the power the battery can supply they are limiting the stress on these old batteries. By limiting the stress they make sure the batteries will make it to the end of their 10 year warranty.

 

As it stands, they can just say this is normal battery aging. But if they allow the old battery to be over stressed and it completely fails and will not start the ICE, they have to replace an expensive battery under warranty. (assuming you also have under 100k miles)

Edited April 9, 2019 by Automate

[PaulGo]

In most states it is eight years. Also some owners have stated a rebalance works so maybe it is software or maybe it is something else. Again from my interaction with Ford they don't have a clue!

[murphy]

The Monroney window sticker for my now gone 2010 Fusion Hybrid says the power train warranty is 5 years / 60,000 miles.

[PaulGo]

The hybrid warranty is different for the hybrid components.

[Automate]

From 2010 Fusion Hybrid Warranty Guide (dated June 2009). Other states may have changed their laws since then.

 

"Vehicles Eligible for Standard California Emission Warranty Coverage Standard California emission warranty coverage applies if your vehicle meets the following two requirements: • Your vehicle is registered in Pennsylvania, Oregon and Washington, and • Your vehicle is certified for sale in California as indicated on the vehicle emission control information label. (NOTE: Oregon has adopted the California AT PZEV battery warranty (10 yrs/150,000 miles) in addition to the standard California emissions warranty coverage that applies to all emissions components. Otherwise, vehicles in Pennsylvania, Oregon, and Washington do not receive the California AT PZEV extended emission warranty coverage.)"

[Automate]

Also some owners have stated a rebalance works so maybe it is software or maybe it is something else.

 

It is a combination of battery age and battery "health" The car's computer monitors the battery health by looking at the variation in voltage in each section of the battery. When the voltage in different sections of the battery starts to become unequal, the computer says the battery is degrading and will limit how much power is drawn from the battery. A re-balance may rejuvenate the battery health but it can't do anything about the battery age.

[PaulGo]

My two cars (2010) both had 43,000 miles when put into storage due to the air bag recall. Before the recall they were both working perfectly. After seven months of storage (which made it past the nine year mark) I had the HV problems. The dealership stated they can can find nothing wrong in the diagnostics and rebalanced one car. It did not work. I have to assume either the storage screwed up the cars or it is a computer software problem.

[beastrow]

Really interested to see if anyone gets this definitively sorted out in terms of what it takes to set the monitor's clock back, as it were. I just bought a 2010 FFH at a fleet vehicle auction in Southern California (it was a Cal Ed vehicle) and have "the problem" (only on "E" when stopped and it disappears immediately after pressing the accelerator). Otherwise, the car is in terrific shape and I REALLY like it. It's just this darned HV that's so frustrating.

 

What would, ultimately, REALLY be terrific is to know if the dealer that supposedly did this one-year reset did it with an OBD II unit or if they were using more complex Ford diagnostic systems. If it was OBD, there may very well be some home-brew hope for all of us.

Edited April 21, 2019 by beastrow