Possibly getting ffh

[Goopyguy56]

Im in the market for a car. I have seen certified used 2017 ffh's online for suprisingly cheap. Atleast compared to cars like the camry hybrid. I guess I am worried about cvt longevity. I know ford had a recall on the 13 and 14 ffh. Do you guys think I can get 200k out of an ffh? Or should i spend a little extra for a camry hybrid knowing they probably last longer if they are both equally maintained?

[murphy]

It's not a CVT, it's an eCVT. There are no belts, it's all done with electric motors. Ford and Toyota use the same method for their eCVTs.

[Goopyguy56]

I guess I am a little worried about the recall on the earlier 13/14 models with the ecvt. I know the toyota transmissions have been out longer so we know that if they are maintained well they can last well over 200k. The ford looks alot better but I am a little hesitant to put my money into something that may need a new tranny alot earlier than expected

[lolder]

There was no recall on the 2013-14 transmissions which is the problem. After that they seem to be OK. Actually there is no maintenance on the eCVTs other than perhaps an oil change.

[ptjones]

That's right, trans oil change at 150k miles, if your getting 2017 you have nothing to worry about. :)

 

Paul

Edited April 7, 2018 by ptjones

[Goopyguy56]

Well I will look into it. I am still leaning toward a toyota just because I trust them more. My wife has the 1.5 ecoboost fusion and we both like it alot. I will probably wait till fall or winter to get another car. Right now im driving a 1999 grand marquis that should last a tad longer

[Waldo]

Ford's been making the same basic eCVT transmission since 2005. They've worked out all the bugs by now. The real secret is that the volumes are still so low, that the beancounters haven't bothered to try to reduce the costs of it and skimp wherever possible.

 

Toyota's reputation was built in the 80s and 90s and since then they've been riding it while doing little to actually separate themselves from the other OEMs. Statistically there's no reason to trust a Toyota more than a Ford anymore.

[Goopyguy56]

Yeah a fusion hybrid is still in the cards. I know they had a new design for the cvt in 2013 which is probably why it had a few issues

[Goopyguy56]

Yeah a fusion hybrid is still in the cards. I know they had a new design for the cvt in 2013 which is probably why it had a few issues

[Goopyguy56]

Yeah a fusion hybrid is still in the cards. I know they had a new design for the cvt in 2013 which is probably why it had a few issues

[rdr]

For my last car purchase -- which I completed this weekend, I looked at the Camry LE and Hybrid LE as well as the Malibu LS. Based upon pricing, etc., the Fusion was the most comfortable to drive and the least expensive out the door by several thousand dollars. While it is possible that the Fusion might be slightly less reliable than a Camry, I do not feel that the difference is statistically significant. Now having 5 Fusions in the family, the only problems that I have had over the past 3 years (other than recall work) were (a) the throttle body on one of the 16 FFHs, (b) the windows not staying up on the 17 FFH, © the sim card reader for the NAV failing in the 16 FFH and (d) the driver's seatbelt locking up on the 16 FFH. Note: My wifes 16 FFH has had the issues. My sons 16 FFH has only had the recalls.

 

Having had Volvos, Hondas and Toyotas in the past, I can tell you that all of those brands have had similar type problems from time-to-time.

Edited June 10, 2018 by rdr

[Cobra348]

Yeah a fusion hybrid is still in the cards. I know they had a new design for the cvt in 2013 which is probably why it had a few issues

I have a '17 at present but also had a '15 before it. I had no issues at all with the '15 in 38K+ miles. Only issue with '17 is that the security keypad was DOA from factory and it was replaced. No transmission issues at 30K+ miles.

[sschnath]

There was no recall on the 2013-14 transmissions which is the problem. After that they seem to be OK. Actually there is no maintenance on the eCVTs other than perhaps an oil change.

 

There was at least one recall on the '14 transmission. It was seal related. Mine was resealed at 54K miles. Now at 139K and no problems with the transmission although I'm chasing a noise in another thread that I'm hoping is not transmission related. I plan on a fluid change by 150K - hoping it's not due to a transmission change!