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#101 OFFLINE   ptjones

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Posted 24 August 2017 - 09:23 AM

YouTube views are up to 2550 now and still going up. :)

 

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#102 OFFLINE   Mister MMT

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Posted 29 August 2017 - 04:39 PM

As said before, I have now augmented the tire pressure of my Hankook Ventus Prime3 215/60 R16 95V tires to 42 psi.

 

As expected, the steering is more precise and the car's handling is clearly improved.

 

To my delight, the ride is as comfortable as before and my glides seem more efficient.

 

In addition, the road noise from the rear tires is dampened.

 

I did not expect to have only positive effects and will keep that pressure.

 

Jan 

 

PS: From Germany, my thoughts are with the brave people in Texas and Louisiana who are suffering from the Harvey impact.


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#103 OFFLINE   ptjones

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Posted 01 September 2017 - 01:12 PM

When you replace your tires it would be interesting if you could put Michelin Energy Savers on it to see what improvement in mpg's you could get. :)

 

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#104 OFFLINE   Mister MMT

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Posted 01 September 2017 - 02:55 PM

You're right, these Michelins give the best mpg. But they also have some weak points. And in Germany, we drive faster and cars must handle very well. I'll not replace my tires before probably 5 years because half of the time, my Mondeo is on winter tires: I live close to the Black Forest and the Alps are also not more then 150 miles away.

 

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#105 OFFLINE   ptjones

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Posted 03 September 2017 - 01:08 PM

Just got back from about 2,200 mi. trip to NY and back and averaged 55mpg on mostly Interstate HWY. :)  You can do this too if use the info from My YouTube videos. :)

 

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 08:06 AM

I very rarely do I get my HVB SOC higher than 65% going down hill, it would would stop charging and the ICE would come on with no fuel to slow the car down.  On my trip I twice hit 70.5% SOC, I'm wondering with so many miles on the car (164k mi.) and HVB diminished capacity the HVB computer allows higher percentage of SOC going down hill.  headscratch.gif

 

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#107 OFFLINE   Mister MMT

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 08:47 AM

The batterie of my Mondeo H can be charged  up to 75% during a descent.

 

The screenshots of a HA report of a trip comprising a short but steep descent added below show that during that time, the CCL is lowered to zero.

 

By the way, Xavier from the HA team told me HA made compatible for the FFH, FFE, C-MAX Hybrid and C-MAX Energi will soon be available for downloading from the Playstore.

 

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 09:36 AM

A lot of info there. :)  The only way  I can get my SOC higher than 70.5% is to have 50%+ SOC when I shut off car and let the HVB cool off and then I have hit 80% SOC when I turn it back on. It's like driving an Energi then. :)

 

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#109 OFFLINE   Mister MMT

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 10:12 AM

Can you monitor the temperature of the HV-Battery? I left that out, but here it is in °C.

 

I also add a link to a HA report (in metrics, but I hope it's OK for you) of a trip in July when I passed two Alp passes: the Simplon and the Grimsel. 

 

It starts from the top of the Simplon pass. The batterie was hot (107 °F)! But the Batterie SOC soon was 75% and stayed there until I reached Brig, in the Rhone valley. There is a lot of interesting stuff in this report. Just download it from my Dropbox and display it in your browser.

 

https://www.dropbox....imsel.html?dl=0

 

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#110 OFFLINE   ptjones

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 12:41 PM

I can monitor HVB Temp with ScanGaugeII, I will replace RPM with HVB temp which now reads 96*F.   I noticed your Engine Coolant Temp is low which doesn't help MPG.  The Minimum temp should be 202*F(95*C) looks like you need to make some Grill Covers to keep WT(cylinder head coolant temp) 95*C to 110*C for the ICE to run efficiently.  Here is a Link: http://fordcmaxhybri...g-2-5-mpg-gain/    Are your Trans and Inverter Coolers located in front of lower portion of radiator? If so I would keep Center Grill Cover permanently on and Lower Grill Cover removable for when going long uphills and temp wants to go above 110*C.

 

Here is a good link: for ScanGaugeII programing codes: http://fordcmaxenerg...-max-ffh/page-1

 

Paul  


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Posted 04 September 2017 - 01:40 PM

I gather you're referring to the temperature graph I uploaded. I made the same HA report in miles and gallons, to make it easier for you and the readers here.

 

https://www.dropbox....02-45.html?dl=0

 

I saw your video about the closing and opening of the active shutters. The Mondeo H has them too. Are you referring to something else I could add? I indeed see that the engine does loose temperature rather rapidly when on off, during descents or even long glides. I will also check this forum. 

 

The trip was made in February under near freezing temperatures (32 °F). The car had been parked in a garage after a previous trip, for about 4 hours, so it's starting temperature was already 104 °F. It reached 180 °F after a few km, but  202-212 °F was only reached later to fall back to the 185-190 °F when there were long EV stretches.

 

During my short 9 miles trips to work, the engine seldom reaches temperatures above 185 °F because the system is in EV for 70% of the distance, and with regard to the duration for 80%!. On the highway, it does. 

 

Nevertheless, please look at the BSFC graph and statistics (Link included for the other readers). Most values are below 240 g/kWh, and often below 220 g/kWh, even when the engine was warming up. This is excellent and illustrates how the system manages well to keep the engine in its most efficient mode of functioning. 

 

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 04:32 PM

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The shutters let to much air through keeping the ICE from getting up to operating temps. Grill covers solve this problem and the ICE warms up much quicker. These are pics of FFH Grill Covers. :)  BSFC graph doesn't take into account ICE WT and would be a different graph.

 

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Posted 10 September 2017 - 04:43 PM

Well YouTube CMAX/FFH videos views are up to 2800 now and still climbing.smile.png  Was trying to get some usefully info from Fuelly.com for MPG's for our cars but finding it problematic in that some of the results don't make any sense.sad.png  It would be helpful if they separated out the  Energi's, Hybrid's and ICE CMAX's and Fusion's.

 

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Posted 21 September 2017 - 03:36 PM

I just got back from a Light House Challenge in Maryland over the weekend. Temps were in the high 70's to low 80's and was using A/C about 70% of the time, still averaged about 54 mpg for about 2300 miles. I'm a little surprised that I did as good as I did with using A/C so much. :) Also my Fuelly average went up 0.1 mpg to 48.2 mpg with 166K mi. on the Odometer. :yahoo: You Tube video views up to almost 3K now. :) Paul

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Posted 21 September 2017 - 09:41 PM

I just got back from a Light House Challenge in Maryland over the weekend. Temps were in the high 70's to low 80's and was using A/C about 70% of the time, still averaged about 54 mpg for about 2300 miles. I'm a little surprised that I did as good as I did with using A/C so much. :) Also my Fuelly average went up 0.1 mpg to 48.2 mpg with 166K mi. on the Odometer. :yahoo: You Tube video views up to almost 3K now. :) Paul

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 09:15 AM

Oh, wish I'd known! Sorry I missed you!

Darn ;( Maybe in the future I need to post my travels ahead of time so I anyone wants to get together, we could make it happen. :)

 

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 05:42 PM

Darn ;( Maybe in the future I need to post my travels ahead of time so I anyone wants to get together, we could make it happen. :)
 
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We could have grabbed a beer, and I could have shown YOU how to drive a Fusion, instead of that C-thing. Lol

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Posted 23 September 2017 - 02:55 PM

We could have grabbed a beer, and I could have shown YOU how to drive a Fusion, instead of that C-thing. Lol

Now that would have been entertaining. :) Maybe next time. :)  

 

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Posted 24 September 2017 - 12:02 PM

Now that would have been entertaining. :) Maybe next time. :)  
 
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Well, we would have had to shout above the drone of my transmission, and my MPGs are off about 10% (probably due to the increased friction...), but,... Yeah! Lol

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Posted 24 September 2017 - 12:29 PM

Well, we would have had to shout above the drone of my transmission, and my MPGs are off about 10% (probably due to the increased friction...), but,... Yeah! Lol

Now that is interesting, The gear noise didn't hurt my mpg's at all. Need to get that fixed. :)

 

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